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There were ABC cafes all around London and, as Micki says, the Aerated Bread Company was the parent behind the scenes and had operated since mid-Victorian times.In Chiswick High Road..the old ABC cafe (and bakery)was at No 300, on the corner with Holly Road, opposite Dukes Avenue.It was certainly there before and after WW2..and perhaps moved  down the High Road to the old Chiswick Empire site..after that  Office Box was built.A Google Search for the Aerated Bread Company reveals an interesting history of tea drinking houses in the UK.Here is one extract:"" In 1856 Dr. John Dauglish patented his method of aeration whereby dough was pumped full of carbonic acid gas to cause it to rise faster. It reduced preparing a batch of dough from 8 or 10 hours to 30 minutes. He founded a company, Aerated Bread Company, known later as A.B.C.In 1864 the manageress of the London Bridge branch of an Aerated Bread Company persuaded her directors to allow her to serve food and liquid refreshments in the shop. She dispensed tea to her more favored customers and soon attracted many clients clamoring for the same service. Not only did she unwittingly start the fashion for tea shops but also one foundation of women's emancipation, since an unchaperoned lady could meet friends in a tea shop without sullying her reputation. Tea shops spread throughout Britain, becoming as much a tradition as tea itself: and even today, despite the plethora of fast food and drink outlets, this tradition remains, attracting huge numbers of UK and foreign tourists.In 1955 *Allied Bakeries, the consolidated company of Garfield Weston's holdings in Britain and the predecessor to *Associated British Foods, made its first significant diversification beyond food processing and retailing. It purchased the Aerated Bread Company which, despite its name, was best known for its chain of 164 low-budget self-service tea rooms. Weston was now the owner of the second largest low-end restaurant chain in England, which was intended to serve as a market for Weston bread and confectionery.

Jim Lawes ● 7459d

Hi Terri. You raised an interesting subject about old Chiswick  and about Van Gogh…who was linked to the Congregational Church and in particular the tin lecture church room which was all located behind the Decca Building between 341 and 347 CHR…once upon a time.Gillian Clegg gives outstanding detail in her CHISWICK PAST BOOK ..the one with the green cover. ..but a map is needed. I’ve dug out the 1894 Ordnance Survey map of the area..and a lot is revealed.Gillian writes that the Congregationalists had been meeting in the Chiswick Lane area in pre-Victorian times…and later at Strand on the Green.  In the early 1870’s they began to meet at an outbuilding attached to The Chestnuts..a large house where Arlington Court is now..facing Turnham Green. You can see The Chestnuts on the map.Then in 1873-1875 a tin Church…the one in your picture.. was seemingly built on acquired land backing onto Arlington Gardens..with access from the High Road. Within a short time it seems that the Lecture Room part of Tin Church was damaged by fire.(the extent is not clear) and when Van Gogh arrived on the scene in 1876 he produced your picture…for “a collection card” to be produced..whatever that meant. A stone church was built alongside the tin one in 1881..and you can see both of them in the 1894 map. You can imagine the donations of Victorian pennies and farthings (!) together with visitors arriving perhaps on Horse…horse and cart…or by horse drawn tram or bus down the High Road!The 1881 Congregational Church was only partially visable from the High Road between 341 and 347…and Gillian says it was closed in 1974..and then awaited demolition in the 1980’s.Must be some photos hidden at the Chiswick Library!

Jim Lawes ● 7456d

The Chiswick Reference Library is a dream..what a pleasant place to walk to...Dukes Aveue.  It's upstairs on the first floor and separate from the Lending Library and they have all kinds of directories and information...and microfiche of the B&C Times etc. A photocopying facility is available..costing a few pence..and the staff are willing. I was speaking to John the other day on 020 8994 5295.Quite separate, in a large room across the staircase, is the Local Archives Section..previously run by the distinguished Carolyn Hammond who recently retired.  Ms Katherine Taylor is apparently the current Head..and she opens for enquiries a couple of days a week. This week Monday and Thursday...best to phone John's section first to check.The archives section have loads of maps and old records and in particular all the Kellys Directories from the 1870's to 1938 ish. In these..all Chiswick streets are listed..and you  can ascertain if your house was there then..and who was the principle occupier. An old map may give you the answer as well.My neighbour told me the other day that he had been born in Chiswick, Quick Road in 1938..but he didn't know at which house his grandad had lived. He gave me his surname..in 30 secs I had the 1938 Kellys in my hand ....and No 6 was the surprise news for him!Re VVG..there is a blue plaque in his honour in Isleworth.Enjoy your researching visit to the Library! It's waiting to be visited!!  By the way, all of Gilliam Clegg's and other people's book will be there to view.

Jim Lawes ● 7456d

""And, pray, what did Master Lawes buy for his spare change at Goodbans?""It probably was a pair of new short trousers for boys (we didn't wear long trousers in those days till we were about 15 yrs!!)...so that I would look smarter than usual...to go to the ABC Cinema!!Many young locals were ABC minors..and on Saturday mornings we used to take the trolleybus along to Young's Corner..to go to the ABC Commodore Cinema across the road. (It was located on the corner of St Peters Square..where the Quantas Airlines building was)As Paul said there were lots of Cinemas around in times gone by...the Regal on Kings Street and the big Odeon in Hammersmith, at least 3 cinemas in Richmond, the Odeon in the middle of Twickenham, The Odeon Isleworth  and the one at Northfields,...and of course the pole-dancing pleasure house at Hounslow West!!Gillian Clegg says a lot about Rankins, Goodbans,Van Gogh,and the old Cinemas, in her books...but her great omission is Toycave, Top Hat Cleaners and the ABC's!!Tina: Toycave may have been near Mylo's..but I have an inkling that there was a toyshop called Gallagher's ..opposite..Hawkins!!.Micki: Thanks for confirming the ABC cafe colours...there may even have been one of those cafes near Young's Corner too.Michael: re Richmond Park, golf, and the family..perhaps I'll pop in to see you one day. That Ski coat incident meant that I couldn't take it with me early next morning to Gatwick..so I shivered on the slopes..so much so that perhaps I caused avalanches!!TerriI like the Van Gogh story you introduced us to...and perhaps we can report on it again.

Jim Lawes ● 7451d

Councillor Lee,I am a regular film goer and I would DEFINITELY support a cinema in Chiswick - it really is the 'missing link' in Chiswick's entertainment scene! It's so sad going into the 'Old Cinema' antique store - wow - what an amazing building - wouldn't it be great if it was still a cinema? Probably an arthouse cinema would be more suited to the area, however, I wouldn't say no to a multi-plex cinema - this would be a big bonus too. Because there is no cinema in Chiswick, I go elsewhere for entertainment, e.g. I go to the Richmond Filmhouse or Richmond Odeon nearly every week (and spend the evening /eat out in Richmond instead of Chiswick) or to Hammersmith or into town. Sorry to say it, but if I'm honest, Waterman's is a dump - the location by the river is fantastic and has such potential. I had high hopes of the renovation project a couple of years back, but the money that is poured into Waterman's is completely wasted. The 'renovations' were hardly noticeable - it looks a mess, the atmosphere is sterile, the car park is dreadful and the centre is badly organised, not well maintained (rubbish everywhere/ dirty) and the restaurant dire. If I can avoid going there and see a film elsewhere, I will - and there are usually only a handful of people in the audience. Unfortunately I think it is a white elephant as an arts centre and should be demolished so the site and the river frontage can be better utilised by the community and for the community - it really is a waste of Council Tax.  I don't know where a new cinema could be located, but Chiswick Business Park could be an ideal location for an impressive new cinema complex - all glass - to fit in with all the office architecture... Just think, if all those office workers and all we locals stayed in Chiswick for the evening instead of going elsewhere for our film entertainment... Don't you think that would help local business in Chiswick?

Catherine Woodman ● 7447d

I'm not 100% sure...but it seems correct that the Emperor pub was on the Nationwide Building Society site opposite Dukes Avenue. It wasn't pubby in the old sense..being newish in its interior but I remember it for being smokey, a bit bland...but helpful in that it had a large meeting area upstairs..where in 1968 the Old Meadonians Cricket Club had its AGM. (now Chiswick and Latymer Club).Readers may be mildly surprised to know that back in the 60's and perhaps 70's an indoor cricket school operated at the back of the George IV..accessed from the bar! Changing rooms, two nets (for batting and bowling)..and refreshments of course in the bar afterwards.There was another meeting room above the Barley Mow pub. For posher do's..in the 1960,s and early 1970's..the choice was often the Star and Garter Public House at Kew Bridge..just there by the lights...(the fountain,the troughs and those lions have gone!)Formal dinners were held at rhe Star and Garter.. with silver service too..  In later years (74?) some hilarous stag night evenings were held there by local Round Tablers(for charity causes of course) with comedians that had one rolling up with laughter!Of course, Chiswick Town Hall, and Hogarth Hall were busy with functions (don't remember dinners) but certainly I remember jiving away there in the 1950's with other teenagers.The upstairs at the Steam Packet (the Dome)in Thames Road was also used for social events..and AGM's again! There must have been many Church halls used too for events..but I'm not au fait with those.  The Dan Mason Memorial Building in Bourne Place has a large social/meeting area upstairs..and is currently the venue for the local History Society meetings.The Osterley Motel(GWR) and the Master Robert(GWR) were other local venues for larger groups.But a particular memory was The Boathouse a large pub with a small dancefloor just across Kew Bridge on te right..just behind where thr permanent Fair was located.  Upstairs at the Boathouse on Monday evenings was the Chiswick Jazz Club. This is 1958 ish. Traditional jazz with banjo's and all that. Dick Charleworth and Cy Laurie' band' were popular..all in the style of those that have survived..Chris Barber, Kenny Ball, and Acker Bilk.  Tommy Cooper and Eamonn Andrews would have loved it....and so would Cllr Adrian Lee..but he hadn't been born quite yet!! He was still the future!!

Jim Lawes ● 7445d

I'm late..but that's not unusual!  Had to get my head down in the office today!Yes Mattiae's Bakery... the bread, cream cakes,pies,, provisions, and wedding cake place just before the Richmond Roundabout..on the left...in Kew Road. Remember it well.  I used to visit the Mathiaes for snacks..as I was passing by..but it did have an air of under-activity. Or was it not enough cream cakes in the front window display?!It closed all of a sudden some times back..probably the parking restrictions outside!! and the unusual thing it that the shop was seemingly just abandoned for years and years..with packets of product still on display. Did not the residents complain about mice etc?Your enquiry about this Art Deco cafe is timely..as it seems it was finally sold..and plans for a redevelopement into flats have been leapfrogged by some kind of preservation order on the building 76-84 Kew Road.Much more exicting was Colin's Wine Bar across the road..on the corner with Shaftsbury Road..where a Mr Colin Spootiswood from Richmond ran a top spot...in the 1970's and later ..well before Pissarro's on Kew Green arrived!Decorated in chococate colours, with memorable paintings on display, tasteful lighting..Colin;s was ahead of its time. Ladies had somewhere to go in the evenings..other that the smokey local pub.  It was the German White Wine era..Neirsteiner, and other Moselles. Anyway, back to Mathaies. Here is the recent extract from the Richmond Times.oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo""Art Deco café spared from development""By Colleen McDonnellA once-bustling bakery and caf in Kew Road with classic deep blue and silver Art Deco shopfronts and matching interiors has been Grade II listed to protect its unique 1920s architecture.In response to pressure from the council and locals who treasure the premises, which is still referred to as Matthiae's Caf and Bakery, last week the Government's Department of Culture, Media and Sport officially listed 76-84 Kew Road.The family business closed in 2001 after 80 years of serving the community. For decades the people of Richmond went to Matthiae's to buy their bread and wedding cakes and referred to the caf's catering service to put on every big event, like weddings and civic dinners.continued...Julia Dunlop, nee Matthiae, is the daughter of Reg Matthiae who started the bakery in 1920 and expanded the business to include a caf, restaurant and catering service.When her brother, Richard Matthiae, sold the property to new owners in December last year, Mrs Dunlop, who still lives in Richmond, worried her parents' bakery would be redeveloped without preserving the architecture.She was pleased to hear of the Grade II listing, and said: "It should protect the building's attractive features, like the glass ceiling in the shop, which was such a worry during the war because any serious vibration could have brought it down on top of staff and customers, and the wonderful terrazzo staircase, which is so solid that the family slept in a small room under the staircase during the war in place of an air raid shelter."Mrs Dunlop's parents met when her mother came to work in the bakery. After getting married, the business-minded couple remodelled the facade and interior with the classic Art Deco style of the 1930s.The business premises included the main bakery and catering department on the ground floor, a caf and a banquet room on the first floor and an Art Deco ballroom on the top floor. The family lived in flats above the bakery.Using decor, the Matthiaes heightened the Art Deco feel.Mrs Dunlop said: "I remember the caf and ballroom with their mirrors and wooden panels round the walls, the ladies' and gents' toilets with black and white tiles and wonderful basins that drained into a tiled open trough, the ground floor canopied entrance to the ballroom and the shop entrance."Council planning officers said an application to convert the five 19th century terraced houses into nine flats was submitted just two weeks ago.A council spokesman said the news of the Grade II listing made the application obsolete as the Essex based owners, Fine Haze Limited, will now have to submit a fresh application with a separate one because of the structure's listed status.No one at Fine Haze was available for comment at the time of going to press.10:38am Friday 2nd June 2006""ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooAfter Colin's wine bar...came Jackson's Wine bar in Sandycombe Road. Anyone remember these two splendid places?They probably suffered from the end of long lunches!

Jim Lawes ● 7444d

Well, well, who'd have thought that we would be speaking about Van Gogh and Chris Barber in the same thread!!Chris Barber was in his element in the 1950's and 1960's and he was so popular in Europe too,especially in Germany. He almost made his trombone talk..and the sound of him with the banjo player, bass and drums was the height of pleasure..so some of us!!  I don't recall Ann's Dalling Road Jazz club..but Hugh played  somewhere...on some instrument. What was it Hugh.?The Boathouse at Kew didn't have Chris Barber to my knowledge..but it did see Ken Colyer.  My memory is logging into the belief that I saw Chris Barber and his band at the Chiswick Empire once..when he introduced the blues singer Sister Rosetta Tharpe.Google searches display lots of news about Chris Barber's 50 years of touring  (and Ottlie Patterson)..and I've spoken to him several times. Lonnie Donegan, his early banjoist, once lived in Brentford..and I had a meal with Lonnie alone..the night before he appeared on THIS IS YOUR LIFE! He invited me along to the TV event but I was too busy with work!!Glad to hear that Adrian has some CB records..here are some covers I've scanned in from mine. Now all 50 years old!!oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo"ice cream,ewes cream, everybody like ice cream......" one song goes. 

Jim Lawes ● 7444d

Can any of you provide information on any of the following:1. The old Yacht Club at the Grove Park end of Strand on the Green (recently demolished).  This was a rather swanky place back in the 1960's, I gather.  I remember being taken there by my grandfather on a sunny Sunday afternoon.  I think he was a member. Given that the poor old chap died in 1971, I must have been a very young lad at the time (hence the faint memory).  Later on this club fell under different management and became something of a dive.  It was empty for ages, I believe, and was demolished a few years ago.  Does anyone remember it in its heyday? Any photos?2.  Local Government: Up until 1964 Chiswick was part of the old Borough of Brentford and Chiswick.  The ward boundaries were all different and there existed a "safe" Labour ward called Chiswick Park.  Whatever the political climate, Labour always retained this seat.  As soon as the local government changes came in in 1964, Chiswick became more marginal and latterly more Conservative.  Can anyone tell me the boundaries of Labour's lost "safe" seat in Chiswick.  Where exactly was Chiswick Park ward? I would be fascinated.3. Balans restaurant currently sits on the site of the old Windmill pub.  I gather, however, that the Windmill that I knew was a pale shadow of the establishment of the same name that was demolished to make way for the flats above.  Does anyone remember the old, original, pub?  When did it go?  Was it the main watering hole for the police next door?  Any snap shots?

Cllr. Adrian Lee ● 7443d

""local government changes came in in 1964, Chiswick became more marginal and latterly more Conservative.  Can anyone tell me the boundaries of Labour's lost "safe" seat in Chiswick.  Where exactly was Chiswick Park ward? I would be fascinated.""Ann Allridge has mentioned many times over the years how the Devonshire Road area was very dodgy in years gone by..scuffy shops, rag and bone men, the poorer residents, Quick Road, Dale Street, Fraser Street,  we wouldn't risk going down there!!;0)  This I believe was part of the Chiswick Park Ward which would have extended through to ..I'm not sure.The Borough of Brentford and Chiswick was, I understand from a little book here..was made up of 9 wards with 3 Councillors in each. Brentford WEST, CENTRAL & EASTBedford Park, Old Chiswick (Homefields?  and the Mall)Turnham Green (Councillors in Wavendon Ave etc)Gunnersbury (Oxford Road, Whitehall Park Road Cllrs)Grove Park (Cllrsin Devonshire Gdns,and Cavendish Road)Chiswick Park (Cllrs in Dukes Ave and Annerdale Road.So: Devonshire Road would have been the Labour stronghold..with their office and fighting force located where Frankies is now!Maybe the Library will have Ward Maps. Post them here if you find them perhaps. Have never seen current ones either.PS: I remember my Dad's friend Mr Cory,  who was a Counservative Councillor for Gunnersbury in the 40's /50's..or was it before? My father was hardcore Labour..and spent evening teaching me how to read bus maps whilst he addressed 100's of Labour Circulars.. Vote Noel Baker and all that!  Well it was tough then! I went to Strand on the Green School with holes in my socks, shoes and trousers!!  But Devonshire Road was even worse!!

Jim Lawes ● 7443d

What fascinating memories from you all!  Ann, your Dad was a Councillor too...back in the days when Chiswick was still independent from Hounslow, Heston, Cranford, Bedfont, etc...I don't think that I had heard of Mr. Noel Baker before. This is probably because politics is often stupidly tribal and, therefore, one is only told of the past heroes of one's own side.  All I ever was told about was a chap called Laddie Lucas, who had been the Tory Member for Brentford and Chiswick in the 1950's and had apparently had a very good war record in the RAF.  I guess that Mr. Baker must have been his Labour successor who held the seat until it was expanded into Isleworth in 1970 (when we got old Hayhoe).  Mind you, please don't get me wrong, my folks never specifically joined a political party.  I was the only oddball in the family to do that!I enjoyed Jim's recounting of Ann's stories of the immediate area around Devonshire Road and the Glebe Estate.  The description of life there in the fifties sounds like those extraordinary photographs taken by Roger Mayne of Southam Street in Notting Dale in 1956.  If you haven't seen this pictures I would really recommend searching them out.  Forget Henri Cartier-Bresson, this is gritty, urban street photography at its' very best.I wonder if anyone has any photos of the mean streets of the Glebe Estate back in the 1950's?  I would also be fascinated to hear more of Ann's Dad's adventures at Chiswick Town Hall.  I wonder what it was like to sit in the old Council Chamber.  I have heard that it was a complete replica of the House of Commons, butr on a smaller scale.

Cllr. Adrian Lee ● 7442d

Capt FRANCIS NOEL BAKER (Lab)became Brentford & Chiswick’s MP after the war in 1945 having beaten Colonel HP Mitchell by 17693 votes to 13006.  There was a new found excitement about Noel Baker and his name was already well known because his father was already an MP.  These were tough times after the war..and I’m amazed that all we Chiswickians survived. Weren’t there some 600 bombs dropped in the area during the 6 year war? The roads were littered with bomb sites..and  we were still under rationing for food,clothes and more importantly sweets. Ann will remember that!..and we often exchange memories on these Forums.HARRY WOOLLEY was a local conservative Cllr for Grove Park ward in 1949 and I knew him well. He lived opposite the Riverside Tennis Club in Burlington Lane..where I had been  Chairman..and he had played there for more than 50 years. Cllr Paul Lynch may know him. Mr Cory..a friend of my fathers was a Gunnersbury ward Cllr.But there was a big surprise in 1950 when FRANCIS NOEL BAKER lost his seat!In those days residents placed posters in their front windows (no Estate Agents boards in those days!!)“Vote Noel Baker”    “Vote Lucas”    People could risk showing their allegiance.PERCY BELGRAVE “LADDIE” LUCAS.(Con).was a war hero..as Ann says and he was lined up and he won by 18408 votes to 17551.  Quite close!. Laddie Lucas was Chiswick’s MP from 1950 to 1959. Between those years King George VI died in1952, the Queen’s Coronation was in 1953, and in the morning news of the climbing of Mount Everest was announced! (Delayed spin!) Roger Bannister broke the 4 minute mile in 1954,  Chiswick Empire was still going strong, the Chiswick Grill was alive and well, as was Mylos, the Police Station was opposite the Windmill Pub..and Gunnersbury Station was recovering from the tornedo strike!  So Lucas also won the 1954/55 election by 19612 votes to 18102 from a Mr L lewis(Lab).  Noel Baker disappeared to Greece or somewhere. I did wonder if he had been a soviet spy..or was that his father. There were Cambridge connections I believe!!DUDLEY SMITH  (Con) elected MP in 1959 beating Dr Cardew (Lab) 17869 to 14950There is a gap in my recordsBARNEY HAYHOE (Con) beat PJ Walker (Lab)27527 to 22533..and was MP in 1983And he was re-elected by 1987 when he beat  Mr P Rowlands (Lab) by 24515 votes to 15128. Phil Andrew stood for a minority party at this election and got 427 votes.Barney Hayhoe  had been knighted whilst being an MP for Chiswick in 1990.Not sure when the re-election was..but he beat Mrs Ann Keen by 26230 votes to 18227.NIRJ DEVA (Con) was the MP in 1995.. not sure when the Election took place but he beat Mrs Ann Keen by 24752 votes to 22666.

Jim Lawes ● 7442d

What a thread. Top stuff.If Brentford Fountain is to return home then we may have an opportunity fairly soon. At present it's at the entrance to the Western International Market. If plans to rebuild WIM come to fruition then the Fountain will be moved to another part of the site. So if it's going to be dug up, that's the time to act. How to pay for it? Well, one day we'll get a design for a development on the Scottish Widows site that we all like, and some S106 money could be allocated. But whether the time periods coincide is anyone's guess.The Watermans. The programming in the cinema seems to have improved a lot in the past couple of years, though the design of the cinema, like the design of the building, leaves something to be desired. Lots of good things happen there, centered on young people, during the day. As much as I enjoy the Watermans I'm happy to  see that the Richmond Filmhouse has opened its doors again. All we need now is the Odeon Studio nearby to close - the very worst type of tiny screen rip-off cinema. I miss the big cinema houses that were still around in the seventies. I'm SE London stock and we still had a couple, all gone now. I wandered into the buiding that was the Odeon on Northfields Av a few weeks ago, fantastic interior. Whilst the old ABC at the top of Northfields Av was being demolished, for just a few days, you could see the old huge proscenium arch, long victim to twinning, bingo, pool halls and other enemies of Decent Cinemas. I went back to get a photo and it was reduced to rubble. I'm no Jim Lawes...Tommy Cooper. To get a genuine Blue Plaque I think you have to be dead 30 years but the Dead Comics Society do their own, and have indeed commemorated Sidney James on Gunnersbury Avenue. It's a serious business, making people laugh, and Cooper deserves respect. I haven't been to the Hancock exhibition yet. A few years ago I ended up going to Ray Galton's house to film him and Alan Simpson. I was nervous in case they turned out to be horrible people. I needn't have worried, they were lovely.

Matt Harmer ● 7442d

Taken from a Google Search..this picture gives a good idea of what the Rag and Boneman looked like..and,as Ann said, they used to call out something to indicated to residents that he was on his way down the road!I'm certain that Chiswick's main chap in the 50's and 60's was based off Devonshire Road..on the right side...Bennett Street,. I recall going there..to sell!  Be sure that that area of Chiswick was..shall we say "difficult"...mainly terraces of small Victorian houses..with the occasional unusual gateway to some stable in the back. Not like South Acton where many roads have smallish houses with gateways/archways attached leading to stables or old launderies (Soapsuds Island and all that!)Remember that 50 and 60 years years ago that Devonshire Road area would have narrowish streets with houses who's brickwork would have been "unwashed /unscrubbed" and polluted by years of coalsmoke (not Santexed!!)....streets lit by dim gas-light lamps casting shadows!..not sodium lamp-posts!  Then there was the near annual London Smog to add to the dimness  and spookiness!No central heating..just coal fires..sometimes in each room! No washing machines..just a copper boiler in the scullery! No spin dryers..but mangles! It was tough.Sometimes a rag and boneman would ring a handbell, Bill the Greengrocer used to bring his horse and cart down Wolseley Gardens and call out too..and  knock on doors of regular customers! A rag and boneman visited too..perhaps Ann's on the look out too for old iron and oddments.So: I last saw a chap say 25 years ago..and Bennett Street area was the mecca. Also the shop on the opposite corner to the Chiswick Grill (Cranbrook Road) also traded like a rag and bone shop.(In 1938 it was a Laundry Receiving office).With a friend I used to tour some streets in the 1950's collecting old newspapers!! which we then sold to fish and chips for one penny per lb.  It was pocket maney to us..but remember we needed 240 pennies to have earned a £1. Our daily maximum was 40 pence! (three shillings and four pence!). We used to sell to Bennett Street(?) to but the price wasn't as good as at Porches!

Jim Lawes ● 7441d

Don't laugh..these could be some of your distant relations in Wood Street...suffering the cold in houses not kitted with today's mod-cons. You've never had it so good. These hardy old Chiswickians deserve a memorial plaque to remind the local millionnaires of today..their heritage!Thanks to the book MIDDLESEX by IAN MURRAY ISBN 0 7134 01818 for that Chiswick Wood Street picture.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooIt above picture was just around the corner from here...Duke Road. Notice the untarmaced road, no street lighting?. and no yellow lines!!oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooSome of these Toofs!...supervisors...or chargehands...or just workers worked at Corney Reach..and it's likely that many of then lived in Chiswick's new town..at the bottom of Devonshire. So don't laugh again..it will be someones distant uncle, father or son!oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooLooking westwards (down the then Hogarth Lane..towards Hogarth House, the M4 and Heathrow..just 80 years ago.oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooPicture taken from Carolyn and Peter Hammonds book CHISWICK (isbn 0-7524-0001-0). Also don't forget to look for Gillian Cleggs books to on CHISWICK PAST ISBN (0-948667-33-8) and as always The Chiswick Book by Gillian Clegg (0-948667-96-6)..and also look out for books and articles by Janet Mcnamara, Andrea Cameron,Val Bott and James Wisdom..all members no doubt of the Brentford & Chiswick Local History Society,

Jim Lawes ● 7439d

Many local people..mainly newcomers…. call Chiswick House Grounds (not open to the public till the 1920’s!!!) Chiswick Park.  Yes , several maps in say the 1930’s  show markings of a ward called Chiswick Park around that Staveley Road , Alexander Gardens, Burlington Lane area.  I’m mystified too. There must be info at the Library. Indeed a local historian expert may be reading my amateurish  posts now ..and has the answer. Please help!!  We know that Kellys directory for 1938 lists CHISWICK PARK as a local ward....In my mind Chiswick Park was the name of a famous Chiswick Cricket Club which in the 1870’s and perhaps before ..had linked up with Turnham Green CC  to play as a joint team on the Green on the High Road.  In the 1880’s  Chiswick Park broke away to form their own new cricket club..and Lawn Tennis Club (which was a newish game) and erected their playing facilities on the orchards (Sutton Court School playing field?) on Grove Park Terrace/Sutton Lane south.My research many months back discovered that top cricket was played there..including Middlesex and the Australian Tourists..and Gillian Clegg (the Chiswick Book) talks of top tennis being played there. I know that  6 times(?)UK Wimbledon winner Ms Chalmers played there.  So CHISWICK PARK  was famous as a sports name.CHISWICK PARK STATION had been so renamed in late Victorian times..in my view again...because of its nearest to the ground..a long walk down Sutton Lane..and Little Sutton Lane...to the area surrounding the icehouse.Or did a Chiswick Park exist years and years ago, where Chiswick Works and the LT Bus Maintenance Depot and skid track had been...now superceded by the smart office complex?  Some ideas anyone?  Where else could Chiswick Park have been?  Was it just a ward locality?  Was there a Chiswick Park Farm?  tea break!Maps to be rechecked!

Jim Lawes ● 7439d

The information on this thread on the characters of Bennett Street and Devonshire Road has been stunning.  As Jim has already said, Chiswick W4 is acting as an invaluable archive to preserve memories that would otherwise be lost with the passage of time.  This is particularly true regarding memories of local characters who have already passed away.  So what other personalities can forum members recall?  Come on, don't be shy.  Share your recollections of Chiswick's Old Timers here.  It could be anyone from shopkeepers to postmen or just colourful friends and neighbours.  Maybe they somehow epitomised an era or a generation, or perhaps they appeared to be from an earlier time?I'll start the ball rolling.  The person that I would nominate as my "Chiswick Old Timer" is the chap that used to work at Mylo's Ice Cream Parlour on the Chiswick High Road.  Tall and willowy, the old chaps used to wear a sort of white overall and, from memory, his hair was greasey down in the old fashioned way.  He must have worked there for years.  What was his name?  I certainly never knew.  Could he have been "Mylo", or was that another person, or even just a made-up name?  In fact, come to think of it, who owned Mylo's?  I think, again from childhood memory, that there was a door maked something like "cafe" or seated area, that indicated that one could go inside Mylo's.  However, all I personally ever experienced was buying ice creams from the open serving hatch from the old boy.  I wonder if any pictures of the old place still exist?  Or, maybe someone will recall the name of the owner?

Cllr. Adrian Lee ● 7438d

Chiswick Empire was what the Yanks would have called a vaudeville theatre.  I don't ever recall any plays, light opera and such like at the Empire.D'Oyly Carte light operas and even 'real' opera could be enjoyed in Hammersmith - lordy, can't recall the name, but the theatre was directly opposite Rowton House - just beyond the Broadway heading towards Kensington.I saw my first opera there - "Madame Butterfly" - and was still crying as I sat on the 91 bus on my way home!!!!The Q Theatre showed plays, as did the Lyric in Hammersmith.At the Empire you could see the likes of: Flanagan & Allen; Dorothy Squires; Arthur Askey; Leslie 'Hutch' Hutchinson; Ann Ziegler & Webster Booth; Max Miller; Country & Western groups of the day;  Charlie Chester & Arthur Haynes;  the Ted Heath Orchestra; Max Bygraves;  Dickie Valentine;  Jimmy O'Dea & Maureen Potter; Shirley Bassey;  the Beverley Sisters; and most of these were headliners when they came to Chiswick.  Each performance included about 12 acts - from the 'mediocre' to the star of the evening:  jugglers, the Sand Dancers (brilliant), tap dancers, comedians... and there was an orchestra in the pit which accompanied every act.  The number of each act was shown on a brightly lit sign on either side of the stage.May sound a bit boring by today's standards, but - believe me - it is your loss that you never spent a night 'in the gods'!  It was a great night out, but  I have to admit that by the end of its days  it had become more and more difficult to draw in a good audience, and most 'stars' were heading for t.v. land.I will think of a dozen more acts later on, but the foregoing may answer the question raised in this thread.

Ann S. Allridge ● 7434d

Wonderful memories and contributions from everyone. Thanks Hugh for the pictures about the old celebrities. By the way..don’t you think that Councillor Adrian has “something of the night about him” posting all these local history requests in the wee small hours!?I’m a bit of a hoarder myself as you may gather....and I’m staggered to find that my old diaries from the 1950’s might be useful on this thread.!!  I mean I went to see Laurel and Hardy at Chiswick Empire on Thursday 28th January 1954 for starters!! My Letts School-boys Diary for 1954 says:  the following week..4th Feb it was Billy Cotton on stage..and then on 11th February it was local Chiswick resident Eamonn Andrews..(before This is your Life TV)..already mentioned on this thread (living in Hartington Road and Watchfield Court)On Thurs 11th March I went to the Empire (aged 15!) with my mates from  Chiswick Grammar..Bill, Ray and Brian and we went to see a show called “Would you believe it?” I wonder if that was the world’s tallest woman and similar acts.  I had see this Dutch dame walking down the High Road in her clogs..I must have spluttered over my Mylos ice cream on seeing her!It seems we always went on a Thursday. 1st April 1954 “Went to Empire with Ray..I was late!” Name of show not mentioned!!Ah, Thursday 15th April..”went to Empire to see Dial M for Murder!!”  I believe I have that programme at my storage unit somewhere.  It seems I was chased by some “ruffians in Chiswick House Grounds on 28/4/54!    Do you keep your old diaries?Hero Tommy Lawton was playing at Brentford FC on Thursday 29th April. Looks like The CE was given a miss. ..and so it goes on ..then  on 6th May 54 Roger Bannister broke the 4 minute mile. What  a year!  And.. oh dear.. Wednesday 8th December 1954..we had the School Play ..and Gunnersbury Station collapsed!! Hit by  a “whirlwind”!!  Must check out 1953 and 1955 and more!

Jim Lawes ● 7433d

Stephen: thanks for your helpful message!""After you have read the message just hit the back button. No scrolling and no wait to download""oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooCongratulations to Adrian for launching this historic thread and to everyone else for keeping it going!! Perhaps of all the places in Chiswick that capture our imagination..it's the memory of the elegant presence of Chiswick Empire on our High Road..opposite Turnham Green.  That must be the most popular for us oldies.I believe that Adrian's parents appeared on the Empire stage sometimes (isn't that so?)...I can hear and see the orchestra in the pit striking up as the curtain opens!!All those names you have mentioned of those that appeared there.    And people laughing their heads off at max Miller's jokes. Thanks for his picture Hugh..I saw him there..but he didn't tell the Max Miller joke about the lady crossing the narrow bridge!!Where do people laugh like that these days? I've read in cyberspace..that at the end of WW2 Montgomery was made a Freeman of Chiswick. The crowds come to the streets in their masses as a carriage took him around.The ceremony seems to have taken place at a full Chiswick Empire too...in 1945.Vera Lynn and all that:ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooMax Miller..what a laugh!Boring office block ..isn't it now? !!

Jim Lawes ● 7433d

Certainly in Trolleybus days 3 routes plyed along the Chiswick High Road. Route 667 started at Hammerswmith, and went to Hampton Court. Route 657 started at Shepherds Bush Green,joining the Chiswick High Road at Youngs Corner, and carrying on to Hounslow. The third route was the 655. This was appart from route 630, one of the longest routes on the system. Based at Hanwell Depot, the route ran mostly from there via Boston Manor Road and Brentford Half Acre and Kew Bridge along the Chiswick High Road to Hammersmith and thence via Putney to Clapham Junction. The Trolleybuses had replaced the Trams that ran from Fulwell, and Hounslow Depots in 1935.Thereafter all sevices ran through WW2 and on until the last services finished on May 8th 1962. The 657/667 were indeed first in and last out. These services had for some time at the end of the era a 'Rolls Royce of Trolleybuses the 'Q' type, which sadely was exported to Spain in 1962. The trams of the time had the distinct disadvantage of having to be boarded in the middle of the road. Not too bad in the 20's and early 30's, but still hazardous non the less. Trolleybuses were more flexible in as much as they could be boarded like a bus from the kerb, plus they could overtake parked vehicles. The trolleybus was a quiet, fume free vehicle, that in the relativly traffic free days that existed up until shortly before their demise was quick and relativly smooth, especially the later 'Q' types. De wirements occured from time to time, but not nearly as much as some detractors would have you believe. I used the Trolleybus to go to School along the Uxbridge Road upto 4 times a day 5 days a week, Route 607. On Saturdays I would use the 657 to go to watch  Brentford at Griffin Park, passing along the Chiswick High Road, and picking up a 655 to go via Hanwell, and using the 607 to get home at Acton Vale. Can you still see working Trolleybuses anywhere in the UK? Yes at the East Anglian Transport Museum at Lowestoft www.eatm.org.uk Black Country Museum www.bclm.co.uk and at a place called Sandtoft near Doncaster www.sandtoft.org.uk There is also a website, www.tfwl.org.uk that is putting the case for the return of Trolleybuses, but not knocking the use of Trams, provided there is room for them. This site has a nostalgia section with pictures of Trolleybuses running along Chiswick High Road, so if you have the time after reading this overlong diatribe go to those sites and their links, which incidentally show modern equivalrents around the World, and enjoy!!

Colin Vaughan ● 7433d

Adrian furthur to my long diatribe relating to mainly Trolleybuses, I have done some more research regarding Trams along Chiswick High Road.The routes followed more or less the same pattern as the Trolleybuses. Routes 57 & 63 terminated at Shepherds Bush, 57 going to Hounslow via Stamford Brook and Chiswick, 63 turning at Busch Corner and going to Isleworth. Route 67 terminated at Hammersmith Broadway and went via Chiswick High Road to Isleworth. None of these routes went into Central London or Holborn or the Kingway Tram Tunnel. All these West London Routes were run by London United Tramways and used Overhead pick-up.They could not proceed into Kensington or Westminster, because overhead wiring was banned on esthetic grounds in these areas by act of Parliament. The old LCC owned Trams that ran in these Central Areas, using the 'Conduit Pickup System' at ground level in a slot in the road. 600 Volts at ground level would not be considered now as 'HEALTH 'N SAFETY' would have a ceasure at the suggestion. I note that one Michael Taylor has started a new thread on this. He is quite right about the 655, except, if he looks at my original thread the 655 went to Clapham Junction via Chiswick High Road, only going to Ealing and Acton Vale Bromyard Avenue at peak times. Normally the 655 only to Hanwell via Boston Manor Road. Sorry to bore those of you that did not live in that era, but bear with me I know that all this may bring back memories to those who did.The aroma of Brentford Gas Works on a Saturday Afternoon having alighted from the 657 via Chiswick to go to Griffin Park Shrine, happy days, when we asked much less of life than we do now.

Colin Vaughan ● 7432d

Adrian,No way!I have a beaut for the "New Chiswickians"...they will just abhor this tale.Had lunch today with daughter Laura and was telling her about this thread - Devonshire Road, Wood Street, etc., and she reminded me of her time in a summer job working at Wimpey's on CHR.She would have been about 15 or 16 years old so it was back in 1969/70.Every Saturday at 3 p.m. Wimpey's was closed to the general public, and the 'Devonshire Road Gang' (she assures me this was the term) took over for just about an hour - men, women, children. Were any other customers unfortunate enough to be in the café at the time, they were ushered out.  The closed sign would go up, and the folks inside would be duly fed!She defies anyone to contradict this tale.  She and another girl from her school both worked there at the time.Shades of the 1930s????????She assures me she had told me at the time and I wanted her to leave, but she convinced me it was only on Saturdays.  I had forgotten this completely.Hows about that then?It gets worse.About a year or two later, she and her pals were regulars at The Boathouse in Kew (Reggae nights only) and one weekend the 'Devonshire Road Mob' crashed in to sort out another local gang, and the W4 men were carrying sawn off shotguns!  She and her friends fled the scene, and her Dad (my ex) put a total ban on her going to The Boathouse again.Her then boyfriend had two brothers in the police and they also told Laura and Gary to avoid the place for the rest of that year, as worse trouble was expected.It has hard to believe, but it soon came back to me.....and we talk today about guns on the street?That should put the cat amongst the pigeons who think this thread is finished, Adrian.

Ann S. Allridge ● 7428d

The Air raid shelter in Wood Street.There was an air raid siren on the corner of Burlington Lane and Edensor Road..alongside the blue Police Box. Do you remember it? The post was very tall and had what looked like a small oil drum on top. That was the siren!We switched on the radio..to the formal processed news. It was odd..and we have raised this before on the Forum..the news was read twice..once at normal speed..and then repeated slowly. Variety programmes and sing songs kept people cheerful/ somedays.Some people would travel to work in London and find their office bombed damaged or even on fire. No mobile phones in those days!Stories were told of German aircraft being mislead about their location. Bombs landing in Chiswick were perhaps reported as having landed in Watford..to cause confusion.But one thing for sure, locals seem to be aware that when German aircraft had reached inland as far as Chiswick..it was time to unload and return to Deutchland!Doris and Audrey and others will remember these times,,and the bomb sites. The wreckage in London, the East End and docklands was unbelievable.Gillian Clegg lists where all the large local shelters were..at the beginning of the war...where locals could seek shelter and she covers the war period well.The first bombs ..tamish incendiary bombs..landed on 7th September 1940 in the Devonshire Road and the Mall area..and Gillian reports "bombs of varying types dropped every night ..bar three..for the rest of the month" and then regularly for 8 months!!!Gillian also mentions disaster striking on Thames Road and our popular Magnolia Road. On 21st September 1940(?)1941(?)a parachute mine landed destroying 41 houses..and damaging 60 more. Ah..it would have been those houses on the edge of the recreation ground I presume..which after the War were replaced by prefabricated houses.  Then there was the Italian prisoner of war camp/nisson huts. in Magnolia Road. There were casualities all over Chiswick by 1941...and many more after the lull in 1942 and 1943.1944 was dreadful.

Jim Lawes ● 7428d

Whilst our troops..including our relations... were all over the world battling away,,a great thread arrived over Chiswick in 1944 in the form of the Doodlebug..the V1 rocket (not the V2).The VI Doodlebug was a pilotless aircraft looking like this:It had the potential to cause massive damage wherever it struck. Hopefully, the air raid sirens were on!ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThis is the sort of damage the V1 inflicked!!The doodlebug was quietish,I recall, but it had a distintive red light on the back..which you could see as it passed over..especially at night.  I remember lying in bed seeing the red light go by !!..and hearing lots of bangs and bangs and crackle in the distance..and then sometimes closer.A V1 doodlebug strike in East London!! Look at that devastation. The Devonshire Road people would have been hundle in their shelters..hoping for the best!Other parts of chiswick, London and the UK would have been nervous with fear also!Somehow, we still receive mail from our soldier relations abroad!. My uncle was in Burma at one point...and a friend of the family was entangled in a Japanese pow camp. They were horrid times.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooMany places in Chiswick were hit in 1944 by the V1s...but an even more vivious weapon against us all..the V2 rocket landed in Staveley Road on 7th September 1944..and you will have read the previous Forum reports and articles about that.This is a V2!!  No time for tea..get down that shelter!!Actually it arrived in Chiswick without warning...and another one landed 15 seconds later in Enfield!oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooThe scene in Staveley Road after the V2 had landed.ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooIt was tough in those days!  If you were lucky it was your turn for the tin bath in front of the fire..to revive yourself.To those who lost their lives in Chiswick may they RIP.

Jim Lawes ● 7428d

I feel weepy at this moment... for those 5 people who Gillian Clegg says lost their lives when the bomb fell in Wolseley Gardens on 23rd February 1944. I was saved by just a fraction of a second.  Some four houses were demolished opposite ..at the junction with Whitehall Park Road..and I had been lying in my bed across the road..aged nearly five..hearing the approaching noises. (bombs on the way including hitting United Dairies/now Porsch car park and further away.)I jumped from my bed and joined my Mum under the steel structure in our small living room. I remember glass all over my bed and cracked walls. I remember at one point seeing six ambulances in a row.The Sheridans, opposite, must have been lucky too..and the Dews, the Blanks, the Hoopers, the Waltons and Peter Balderston and his family.My mother apparently (I later heard) took us to a friend in Gordon Road/Whitehall Gardens corner(opposite the Shepherds Nursery) and asked Mrs Broadhead if we could move in. Not sure if she did help..as soon we were sleeping in a Sports Pavilion alongside the Ice House in Grove Park Terrace!We later moved to the new flat above an unfinished shop in Edensor Road.(Fat Boys cafe is there now!)I wonder if those occupants of the rebuilt houses in Wolseley Gardens are aware of that site's local history?There were other houses bombed nearby..but not in WG.  Whitehall Park Road got hit at the south end bit..near the junction with Gordon and prefabricated bungalows took the place of the bomd sites.So we had a local Anderson Shelter, Gas masks..even for tots..and those steel structures erected over our beds.London Transport bus destination blinds adored our windows..so the 65 bus details were never far away!St Mary's Crescent lost one house..on the east side bend.Whitehall Gardens was unscathed.How about a little memorial to those locals who died..in the Havard Hill Recreation ground?..backing onto the four houses?

Jim Lawes ● 7428d

AdrianYes there was a group of Mods in Chiswick; we used to hang out in the cellar of a coffee bar in Turnham Green Terrace called “Vee-Esta”. If we weren’t there we could be found out side the Steam Packet in Thames road, although we though nothing of taking a quick trip down to Brighton on a week day evening.  We also went over to Southall quite a bit to meet up with other Mods to go and see the bands of the time at the White Hart, amongst them The Who.It was quite a site to see 30 or 40 scooters all lined up outside the old bowling alley, we also had fun with the police but that’s another story. I posted this on another thread some time ago about what we use to wear.The standard mod 'uniform' of the time consisted (for the average Mod) of the American 'parka' style coat with fur-trimmed hood for protecting their expensive shiny two-tone mohair suits while riding their highly decorated and customised scooters. 'Aces' or the richer, highly fashionable Mods wore full-length leather coats. Other affectations were 'Fred Perry' or small collar shirts; narrow ties and the famous 'winkle picker' toed shoes or elastic-sided 'Chelsea' boots, although there were variations on this theme as fashion changed so rapidly. American shirts (tab and button down) could be bought from an American Gents Outfitters on Shaftsbury Avenue for 59/11 (£2.98p) and Madras-striped cotton jackets were hunted for at various out of the way shops according to 'locals' knowledge.We also shopped at Carnaby Street, which seem to open very rapidly to cater for the mod trend in clothes, we used it mainly as a great place to meet other Mods from other areas.

Paul Allen ● 7427d