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Roehampton Lane 20mph from 20 March 2026 plus extra speed cameras

Just so that you know :)

Joy Griffiths ● 30d78 Comments

Clear as day, Andrew.Large, legible, mounted up high so not obstructed.

David Lesniak ● 15d

It's the unwritten slogan of councils everywhere: 'Unclear road-signs = more money'.

Colin Jordan ● 15d

"But clarity and directness aren't really British traits."Yeah, maybe we should take some lessons from our American cousinshttps://photocontest.smithsonianmag.com/photocontest/detail/reading-traffic-signs-in-new-york-city-which-way-do-we-want-to-go/

Andrew Jones ● 15d

Well I admited no such thing David.I have had three PCNs since I started driving 'landing' in my 'mailbox', none of which were for speeding. The one time I was done for speeding, many, many years ago I was fully aware of the speed limit.I agree you shouldn't have to search for signage to know what the speed limit is, there should be sufficient signage for any observant driver with at least half a brain to be aware of what the speed limit is.Equally you shouldn't rely on what the speed limit was on that bit of road five, ten or twenty years ago, and you shouldn't assume that just because a road has 3 lanes it must be at least 40mph or 50mph.

Andrew Jones ● 15d

That's nearly but not entirely true. The street lights have to be not more than 200 yards apart.The report in this link is from 2014 but the information in it is still correct AFAIKhttps://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01921/SN01921.pdfNo idea about whether it's different in Wales.

Andrew Jones ● 15d

The reduction from 40 to 30mph imposed on the dual carriageway from Richmond Circus to St Margaret’s roundabout is totally inadequately signed! There is only one very small 30mph sign each way on the dual carriageway. Not only is the signage inadequate, the reduction in speed limit on this dual carriageway is totally unnecessary. There are no residences on that stretch and there are extra wide pavements and cycle paths. I’m not sure if this was the idea of Richmond’s Lib Dem Council but it is pathetic. It serves no purpose other than to rip off motorists.

Steve Taylor ● 16d

Funny, I thought that same Highway Code had something about the physical roadway itself. So a 6-lane highway would be at least 50 is it?Anyhoo...fun to see the same road has a third size for the same information. We've got small, medium and large. The main road with the most eyes and traffic gets the small and medium while the exit to White City and Harlesden gets the spiffy large and medium. Why the exit needs two that vary on the same bit of 100m off-ramp is a mystery, but I'm sure there's some stupid reason it's a good idea.Call me crazy but shouldn't the large sign be on the large road and the small signs be on the small road?

David Lesniak ● 16d

But we all know from our Highway Code that if a road has street lights then it's 30mph by default and doesn't need reminder signs, though I think Wales tried to make their no-sign default 20mph.

Peter Evans ● 17d

Funny, Andrew, given you admit yourself to not reading the perfectly adequate signage landing a PCN in your mailbox.Why signage needs to be searched for as opposed to just being read is beyond me. But clarity and directness aren't really British traits.

David Lesniak ● 17d

It's laughable that anyone who drives could possibly fail to already realise that the speed limit on the 30 mph section is 30 mph.Maybe they'll replace the signs when they shut the Westway for about a month in a couple of weeks, and that will put an end to this discussion.

Andrew Jones ● 18d

Oh please, Andrew. You were dead set against the exact same principle on Beadon Road. And yet new time plates were installed to removed the confusion. On the Westway all that would be needed is additional, larger more visible signs. Again, those lovely gantries could serve a better purpose.Your desire to limit signage on a 6-lane highway is laughable.

David Lesniak ● 18d

A ‘large’ 30mph sign within a limited section could be confusing, as that size is usually used as a ‘gateway’ sign to indicate the start of the limit, which would imply that the road up until that point was not.

Peter Evans ● 19d

No David,You are misrepresenting what I have written.You seem to want and are advocating unnecessary extra signage on the Westway to indicate a 30 mph speed limit that would already be obvious to anyone with legal eyesight (for driving) and half a brain.I wrote (on 07/03) "Spend the money improving signage elsewhere that needs it, the westway doesn't (certainly not going out of town)."I went further to point out why I have a particular interest in signage - it's because inadequate signage has led me to have to spend time appealing (successfully I will add) against PCNs that wouldn't have been incurred if the required signage had been present.The same is true for plenty of other motorists e.g. the ones Steve mentioned who got their PCNs overturned for inadequate signage on the A4.Like I said, don't waste money on unnecessary signage on the Westway, get it right elsewhere where it's inadequate, and you will save a lot of motorists a lot of hassle. 

Andrew Jones ● 19d

So basically signage where it prevents you from being penalized. Just not the same for others.Roger, that, Andrew.

David Lesniak ● 19d

I'll tell you why I'm a bit precious about signage, it's because I've been in a couple of situations where the lack of correct signage has meant me being issued with a PCN (for parking) which I've then had to occasionally go through hoops to get cancelled. Some councils will acknowledge the mistake, whereas others will keep sending rejections and then drop their case before it goes to adjudication. If the signage had been correct in the first place, then I wouldn't have parked there and got the PCN.So, I'm for signage where it's needed, and I'm against unnecessary signage - plenty of times it just adds to street clutter.I drove in today and observed the 30 mph signs on the Westway. There were plenty of 30 mph (repeater) signs on both sides of the carriageway. Yes, there was one 30 mph sign on the median that was larger than all the other ones. There's no reason why that particular sign needs to be larger, maybe someone was tasked with replacing a 30 mph sign and they brought the  larger size because the larger sign will always be legally enforceable, whereas the smaller signs are only enforceable as repeater signs. I don't know, but I do know that the signs don't have to be larger as they are repeater signs. Someone else has already explained that on this thread as well.The answer isn't revenue, because there is so much signage on the Westway, no one could possibly drive along it without being aware pretty rapidly that they are driving in a 30 mph  zone. If they get a ticket for speeding, good, it might just encourage them to be a bit more observant next time.So yes, I want signage where it's needed, and don't think it has to be put where it isn't needed. Pretty simple really.

Andrew Jones ● 19d

The A4.

Steve Taylor ● 20d

Gosh, Andrew. So touchy when it comes to your beloved signage. Not too long ago you didn't want any signs. Now you want more where needed. So confusing. Which is kinda my point.Of course you still haven't answered why the signs are of different sizes when they appear in the same position, namely on the median. Or why they aren't larger. Or up higher. Or painted.Revenue. That's the answer why not, by the way.

David Lesniak ● 21d

Steve,I have no doubt that there are plenty of motorists who have sucessfully appealed against speeding tickets due to inadequate signage.I was however refering to the A40 Westway heading out of town, specifically the 30 Mph section between the end of the Marylebone Road (A501) and the point where the speed limit goes up to 40 Mph (just before Bloemfontein Road).Are you saying that motorists have had fines that were issued for speeding on this section quashed? If you are, can you point me to any evidence that this is actually the case? Anecdotes don't cut the mustard I'm afraid.Or are you simply saying that there are some speed limits on some routes out of town that aren't clearly signed? If it's the later, then I don't disagree with you.

Andrew Jones ● 21d

“ I’ll repeat it once more - the speed limits are signed clearly going out of town,”No they aren’t; which is why, on appeal, some motorists have had fines quashed!!

Steve Taylor ● 21d

Well it's you David if you insist the signage isn't good enough.Yes, they could spend more money, unnecessarily, to make it even more obvious to myopic drivers like you who are incapable of seeing anything apart from the tall vehicles that apparently box you in and force you to break the speed limit.Spend the money improving signage elsewhere that needs it, the westway doesn't (certainly not going out of town).I'll repeat it once more - the speed limits are signed clearly going out of town, and even if you miss the first or second signs there are multiple signs after informing any hald observant driver that the speed limit is 30mph.If you can't see the signs, maybe you're better off sticking to e-bikes and getting someone else to do your deliveries.

Andrew Jones ● 21d

Gosh, Andrew, I wonder who the cr*p unobservant driver is.Given the road in question has changed speed limits repeatedly, and in fact the speed on it changes as well, clarity wouldn't kill you.But again, gray is your default color.

David Lesniak ● 21d

The signs in the middle of stretches are allowed by regulations to be smaller, so there is a reason why signs are/can be different sizesVery easy to miss them going west on the westway if you are a cr*p unobservant driver, but for the rest of us, you can't help but realise the speed limit is 30 mph if you are driving responsibly.I'll admit I was wrong when I said there were about 20 pairs of signs indicating the 30 mph speed limit in force from its start heading west towards the northern roundabout - I counted again yesterday and it's only about 15, the rest of the 20 I'd previously mentioned were beyond the northern roundabout but before the Westway becomes a 40 mph road (just before the turn off into Bloemfontein Road)However, that's still about 15 pairs of signs on the westway - are you really suggesting that every single sign is going to be obscured (on both sides of the carriageway!) by a van or lorry? Oh, and I spotted an overhead 30 mph sign on the first gantry where the A501 becomes the A40.The reason there isn't a sign on the gantry after the northern roundabout is that the speed limit there is still 30 mph,  but the speed limit goes upto 40 mph not long afterwards, so it would be confusing to have a big 30 mph sign on a gantry when the speed limit is going to change very shortly.In case you're wondering, you can't make the speed limit 40 mph at the gantry, because then you will need an extra average speed camera installed before the gantry.No objections to 30 mph signs painted on the road, from driving around the States I know how much you Americans like to paint the road, but here in the UK you still need the legally required signage for speed limits to be enforceable, and there is plenty of signage going west on the westway.I'll have a look going the other way (East) some time.I can't comment about the A316, or signage elsewhere, I'm more than willing to believe it could be a lot better, and it might be confusing/doesn't convey information well enough, BUT there is nothing contradictory, or inconsistent about how the speed limit is signed on the westbound section of the Westway when coming out of central London.

Andrew Jones ● 22d

In this case there will be fewer signs, as any 40mph repeaters on the lampposts are removed, leaving the default none for 30mph in their place - other than a larger 'gateway' sign where the new limit starts!  Not a problem for strangers to the area, but not helpful for locals.

Peter Evans ● 22d

“ As I said, it's very easy to miss them with various vans and lorries obscuring them. Why not mount them higher? Why not on the gantry? Why not paint a 30 on the roadway? You guys love to paint the roads.”Proof of the unacceptable and devious nature of the “Authorities” can be seen on the A316 on the dual carriageway between Richmond Circus and the St Margaret’s Roundabout where the speed limit was changed from 40 to 30mph last week. There is only ONE small  sign each way advising of the change. It’s disgraceful.

Steve Taylor ● 22d

Strictly, 30mph areas don’t need repeater signs on lampposts as the assumed default is 30. Anything where there are lampposts that’s different should have small repeaters showing 50, 40, or indeed, 20.  It's with 20mph where things get confusing, with a frequent lack of repeaters, roads switching between 20 and 30 for no apparent reason as you cross a borough boundary, and different ‘gateway’ signage for 20mph limits and 20mph zones, which are different things.

Peter Evans ● 22d

There is no rhyme nor reason, Andrew, to the varying size of the signs. Sometimes one is large, sometimes it is small in the middle of the road in the middle of the stretch.As I said, it's very easy to miss them with various vans and lorries obscuring them. Why not mount them higher? Why not on the gantry? Why not paint a 30 on the roadway? You guys love to paint the roads. Clarity isn't your strong suit. Dare I say I'm inclined to agree with Steve.

David Lesniak ● 22d

I drove back from central london yesterday along the Westway, and I passed around twenty pairs of signs ( indicating that the speed limit was 30 mph) between the point where the A501 becomes the Westway ( and the speed limit goes from 20 mph to 30 mph) and the northern roundabout (junction of the A40 with the A3220).The signs were on both sides of the road i.e. there were about forty signs in total.There were also signs indicating that there is average speed  enforcement by cameras in place. It's a requirement that the initial sign indicating a change of speed limit is of at least a certain size. Repeater signs are permitted to be smaller than the signs that are mandated at the start of the start of the new speed limit.If someone fails to realise that there is a 30mph speed limit on the Westway on the section I described it's not because the signage isn't good enough, it's because they are so unobservant that they shouldn't even be driving.

Andrew Jones ● 23d

“ not sure why the British are so opposed to putting up proper signage that's easily seen, ”Because they are devious, sneaky, cowards.

Steve Taylor ● 23d

The medallions indicating the speed are of different sizes. Only on the median at that. So if you're not next to the median and something is blocking your view to the signage, you'd have no idea. I'm sure some will say read the road layout itself. It doesn't apply in this instance. Not anymore.I'm not sure why the British are so opposed to putting up proper signage that's easily seen, but, hey ho, you are. And those lovely gantries are up there doing nothing.

David Lesniak ● 23d

In what way is the signage inconsistent David?

Andrew Jones ● 24d

Whatever you want to call it, Paul, the fact remains the speed limit has been reduced and the same journey now takes longer than it used to. Seems when it opened the limit was 60. When I started driving it, it was 50. Now it's 30. A pity the signage isn't consistent.A pity you don't understand how limiting cycle deliveries are. Let me know when you can sort out transporting 100s of kgs of products and equipment dropping off at several stops. I'm happy to watch you cycle it all so I can learn from your expertise.

David Lesniak ● 24d

I did think of bikes when I made the comment.Even if Roehampton Lane was 20 mph along its length any cyclists going to the south end would end up on the Kingston Road if continuing their journey by road, which is a 40 mph road.Possibly cyclists are allowed to cycle on the pavement alongside Kingston Road ( I don't know, however there were some painted cycles on the pavemetn which suggests this might be the case). If that's so, then given the lack of pedestrians on the southern stretch ( again, where would any pedestrians be coming from/going to?) it might be appropriate to allow cycles to use the pavements on the southern strech and share the pavement with the occasional jogger.Also, we do have plenty of roads withg 30mph limits in London that are reguarly used by cyclists.That's not dismissing the idea that driving on a 30 mph road is off putting to some cyclists by the way, but if the road isn't an accident blackspot, there are probably other 30 mph roads in London that are more in need of having their limit reduced for the purposes of safety.

Andrew Jones ● 25d

>20 mph on the face of it seems inappropriate for the dual carriageway part of the road, that I imagine wouldn't have that many pedestrians regularly using it....or people on bikes.I wonder why.The accident rate in the lion enclosure at London zoo I think is zero. Not sure I'd want to go in there though...

Paul James ● 25d

It would be horrible riding along any cycle track on it. Cycling is about much more than getting from a to b as fast as possible without noticing what goes by.

Paul James ● 25d

While on the subject of the 'downgraded' Westway, dare I suggest that it would be good if cyclists could use it, as it would provide a much quicker and safer route into London than tacking and weaving about on the traditional ground level route.

Peter Evans ● 25d

Both were downgraded to enable TfL to legally take ownership/management of the roads. TfL aren't permitted to own/manage special roads (a.k.a. motorways).

Andrew Jones ● 25d

The Westway was originally designated the A40(M) when it opened in 1970 but was downgraded in 2000. It was part of a planned new inner Ringways network, most of which was never built.There used to be a short section of M41 from the Holland Park roundabout to the Westway junction, which was intended as a part of Ringway 1, the innermost circuit of the London Ringways network, but that was also later downgraded. 

Richard Greenhough ● 25d

Sorry David, a 6-lane "highway" isn't automatically a motorway.And, as we are talking about deliveries, if the Westway was a motorway, plenty of delivery drivers on 2 wheels wouldn't be able to use it,

Andrew Jones ● 25d

>Reduction is reduction, Paul. It is less. No matter the cause nor your ridiculous vernacular. A 6-lane highway is a motorway.It's not a motorway, a motorway is a very specific thing with specific laws.What it is todayStill physically the same elevated structure, but legally just the A40.Speed limits, signage, and enforcement follow standard A‑road rules rather than motorway regulations.>I know you think businesses can simply cycle.Putting words in my mouth again. I don't think this, I think more could, again with your absolutism.

Paul James ● 25d

20 mph on the face of it seems inappropriate for the dual carriageway part of the road, that I imagine wouldn't have that many pedestrians regularly using it.Is there any data to suggest this is a accident blackspot?

Andrew Jones ● 25d

Reduction is reduction, Paul. It is less. No matter the cause nor your ridiculous vernacular. A 6-lane highway is a motorway. I know you think businesses can simply cycle. They cannot.

David Lesniak ● 25d

>A reduction in the speed on a major motorway. Do the math, Paul. Just try. Just once.We weren't talking about a motorway here.If you're talking the Westway, it's not a motorway. It was, which is why it's degraded to the point of being unusable I guess. Same with the bridges.That's got nothing to do with 20mph limits on local roads, the limit on the westway is temporary until it's fixed.>Having to go the long way around because you all can't sort out a bridge repair. Or not being able to service a neighbourhood efficiently as we once were able to do.Too many motor vehicles, too much driving causing all this damage. I refer you to my previous answer about something that can be done to help that.

Paul James ● 25d

Wow, Paul. Are you truly that daft?Myopic is obvious. Daft more so now than ever.A reduction in the speed on a major motorway. Do the math, Paul. Just try. Just once. Having to go the long way around because you all can't sort out a bridge repair. Or not being able to service a neighbourhood efficiently as we once were able to do.

David Lesniak ● 25d

>Doing business in this city is now slower than it used to be.For who?The Evening Standard was famously against the congstion charge, but when implemented the then mayor was quick to point out it benefitted most as it's delivery drivers suddenly weren't perma stuck in loads of traffic. I rememeber the days when the embankment was a solid line of traffic (multi lane) all the way along, I certainly don't see that any more, the bike lane is more congested that the car lanes these days!What slows you down in your motor vehicle David?

Paul James ● 25d

Yep, the cyclists certainly weave and swerve down Roehampton Lane. Probably because on the downhill they achieve faster speeds than cars.

Steve Taylor ● 26d

Blather all you want, Paul.Doing business in this city is now slower than it used to be. Taking time and money away from traders. I know it's simple and I know you don't or maybe can't grasp that.Going back to another angle from Jeremy re PCNs being a form of tax, these penalties were minor. They are now, out of necessity, a line item in the annual budget.I'm basically a delivery driver. And yet you still don't get it.

David Lesniak ● 26d

>Or trying to avoid swerving and weaving moronic cyclists.On the A3 at that junction? Come on Steve, you have to do better than that:https://www.google.com/maps/place/Roehampton+Ln,+London/@51.444503,-0.2342653,3a,90y,263.74h,60.05t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sgKdj0CsoXyCb0EAfiGjOtg!2e0!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D29.95237812337463%26panoid%3DgKdj0CsoXyCb0EAfiGjOtg%26yaw%3D263.73911157916194!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x48760ee12e838093:0xef5b047e59a2555c!8m2!3d51.4553943!4d-0.2431048!16s%2Fg%2F1tgdn0v9?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDIyNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Paul James ● 27d

>Slow means slow.20mph is not slow. If you think it is, try driving into a wall at 20mph and then after peeling yourself out of the airbags tell me it feels slow after that.>Taking more time to do something is not good for businessAside from the absolutist thinking here (do you bake sourdough, brew beer, age cheese, drive or cycle? A lot of things can be better when done slowly and carefully), what does actually slow enroute delivery drivers down in West London?It isn't whether or not you can get up to 30 between junctions instead of 20. It's congestion.And what is congestion?Too many people in motor vehicles trying to occupy the road space at the same time.So the real question is, why are there so many vehicles in West London slowing down delivery drivers?Because a huge proportion of those vehicles are being used to make short car trips, the kind that might be easily be walked, cycled for those that can, or done by bus if the environment made those options attractive and safe.And what pushes people into cars for short trips they'd otherwise walk or ride?Roads designed to prioritise fast driving over everything else.Streets that feel unsafe or unpleasant to cycle on.Pavements narrowed to make space for parking.Slow buses (congestion again!)Junctions engineered for vehicle throughput rather than people.So if you care about delivery drivers getting around efficiently, the solution isn't to let everyone drive faster between junctions. It's to reduce the number of cars clogging the roads in the first place, especially many of the the short-hop ones that don’t really need to be there.When traffic moves at 30mph or more, most people simply don’t feel safe walking or cycling alongside it.When they don't feel safe, they might not walk or cycle.When they don't walk or cycle, they might choose to drive, even for short trips.When they drive short trips, they add to congestion.When congestion increases, delivery drivers slow down.So, if people getting up to 35mph between junctions make the roads feel too dangerous, you'll get more poeple in cars, and slower deliveries.Vicious circle David.Is your bread ready yet?

Paul James ● 27d

Or trying to avoid swerving and weaving moronic cyclists. Nevertheless, still idiots for getting caught on camera!

Steve Taylor ● 27d

Truly daft, Paul. No surprise.Slow means slow. Taking more time to do something is not good for business. About as simple a notion as there is. And it still eludes you.

David Lesniak ● 27d

Come on Andrew, The thousands of three tonne suvs whumping the joints at 50mph are only there because of the short section of wands just before ŵhite city...

Paul James ● 28d

Westway has an effective speed limit if 0mph between March 22nd 22:00 and ‘Late April’ - and for once, no one can blame the cyclists.

Andrew Jones ● 28d

>When more time needs to be spent doing something,Exactly, if you drive "faster" between junctions in london, you just spend longer waiting in the queue of cars at the next junction, same average speed overall. People that drive slower might get there sooner though, I see it all the time, slower driving means more time to make better decisions and better progress.Maybe in a straight run on the westway west at 60mph you're going to get to the other end of it faster (as long as it's not full up and they havn't reduced the speed limit to 20mph due to damage caused by too many fast and heavy cars).The same isn't true on normal london roads which have traffic lights and pedestrian crossings, long lines of cars etc... so it's much more complicated than that.

Paul James ● 28d

Probably too busy fiddling with their phones or aircon controls to notice.

Paul James ● 28d

Yes, as a regular user of that road I was always amazed at the number of morons who actually didn't notice the blatantly obvious yellow encased cameras which were constantly flashing.

Steve Taylor ● 28d

Unfortunately, Paul, you haven't a clue how logistics works let alone the before and after impact on these policies in regard to delivery, efficiency, profit margin, labor costs, etc.No surprise there.When more time needs to be spent doing something, that means less time for anything else. Including doing that very thing efficiently.

David Lesniak ● 28d

When the speed cameras were first introduced on the section of Roehampton lane that is just off the A3/kingston road (and is downhill) the cameras would flash constantly- expect the same will happen again. Thanks Joy for alerting us - it’s a route I often take.

David Turner ● 28d

>Show of hands...who doesn't understand the basic business premise time equals money?Logical fallacy from you here that max 20mph speed between junctions instead of max 30mph speed means delivery drivers can get around town quicker.Lot's of companies now realising the way to get around town quicker (which includes how easy it is to park up) for local deliveries, is by bike, have you not noticed this David? Also what would really speed up deliveries is fewer cars on the road in front of delivery vehicles.

Paul James ● 28d

Show of hands...who doesn't understand the basic business premise time equals money?Paul, that's one. Anyone else?

David Lesniak ● 28d

Yes 20mph there is utterly ridiculous.

Steve Taylor ● 28d

Official guidance suggests that ‘20mph speed limits are more effective when they are supported by street design that indicates that a lower speed is appropriate.’ [DfT Nov 2018]That’s clearly not the case with Roehampton Lane, which is a wide main road, much of which is dual carriageway.

Peter Evans ● 29d

>Yep, because the cars are going far too slowly. Let them go @ 60 and see if you can catch them!Steve, like I say, it doens't matter what speed you get up to between lights and crossings in your brrm brrm, I'll still catch you on my bike.Many a time I've been overtaken at speed by a driver who's overtaken me in anger, and when I am sitting next to them at the lights I'll say "we all go the same speed round here".

Paul James ● 29d

Most would probably do 30 if it was 25 😉

Janice Evans ● 29d

30 mph would be more fair and more appropriate!

Steve Taylor ● 29d

Think if it was 25mph would be fair and better for automatic vehicles.

Janice Evans ● 29d

Yep, because the cars are going far too slowly. Let them go @ 60 and see if you can catch them!

Steve Taylor ● 29d

>The faster you can travel the more deliveries you can do. Not rocket science.AS always, it's not as simple as that.Do you think getting up to 60mph between stops for lights and crossings on Chiswick high road would mean you get along it faster than if you accelerate to 20mph?I can get along chiskwick High Road much faster than anybody in a car on my bike, and it tops out at 15mph.

Paul James ● 29d

The faster you can travel the more deliveries you can do. Not rocket science.

Steve Taylor ● 29d

>Deliveries and supply runs just got more expensive. Yet again.How? Are you suggesting accelerating to 20 instead of 30 between queues of motor vehicles at junctions/pedestrain crossings slows drivers down?Not withstanding fewer crashes mean there is less chance to get stuck in a jam because of an "accident".

Paul James ● 29d

Looked at another way it will kill jobs.Deliveries and supply runs just got more expensive. Yet again.

David Lesniak ● 29d

It's all part of a cunning plan to create jobs by reintroducing the man with a red flag to walk in front of every car on the road.

Richard Greenhough ● 29d

>drive at the speed you feel is safe to drive at.Clearly some people think this is 40 to 60mph....You sure this is a good idea, advising people to criminalise themselves?

Paul James ● 29d

Kingston by pass next? Could be. I was surprised to see in Berkshire they are considering cutting huge amounts of 60mph roads to 30mph. A 50% cut? Pretty drastic!

Nicholas Beard ● 30d

Don't let them have your money! Stay at 20mph when you pass a camera then drive at the speed you feel is safe to drive at.

Steve Taylor ● 30d

‘ Collision data from around the world is very clear. It shows that the faster a vehicle is travelling, the more likely a collision will occur, and the more severe an injury resulting from the collision will be.’Good to see that these morons are now using global evidence to justify their schemes. What happened to gathering empirical data about the actual road the proposed changes affect? They wouldn’t get the results they want, of course.Surprised they haven’t wheeled out traffic evaporation as well, unless that discredited methodology is still too fresh in the public mind.

Simon Hayes ● 30d

>Will we be getting speed humps and chicanes to help drivers abide?Why would you want speed jumpos and chicanes? Just don't exceed 20mph surely?>a fund-raising wheeze Don't let them have your money! Stay at 20mph (if it's safe to go at that speed) or under if necessary?

Paul James ● 30d

I would post the letter but I don't know how. However the relevant information is.....The following road will be reduced from a 30mph to a 20mph speed limit:A306 Roehampton Lane (from the junction with Upper Richmond Road to the junction with Kingston Road)The TFL letter also adds....This is part of our commitment to eliminating fatal and serious injury collisions from London's roads by 2041. Collision data from around the world is very clear. It shows that the faster a vehicle is travelling, the more likely a collision will occur, and the more severe an injury resulting from the collision will be.It also adds that the works are necessary scheduled between 16 & 21 February but the cameras will not enforce the lower speed limit until 20 March.

Joy Griffiths ● 30d

All of it? Or just the wide bit, or including the really wide dual carriageway bit?Will we be getting speed humps and chicanes to help drivers abide?This must be a fund-raising ‘make the world a better place’ virtue-signalling wheeze as it’s the least likely road where you’d expect such a limit. Kingston by-pass next?

Peter Evans ● 30d