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Cargo bike us up 73% in London

Where Cargo bikes are freeing cities from polluting vans.Interesting article on the boom and continuing potential for cargo bike adoption in London.https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-25/london-cargo-bikes-rising-to-curb-pollution-not-just-in-ulez-areas

Paul Campbell ● 58d110 Comments

“The volume of mechanical bikes sold in 2023 fell a further 5% (following a 23% drop in 2022). This is likely to be the lowest level of bicycle volume sales during the current century to date. The 5-year trend picture shows mechanical bike volume sales in 2023 running 33% below 2019 levels.”

Steve Taylor ● 50d

That’s why the casualty rates are dropping. Cyclists are a dying breed. Even I don’t cycle as much as I used to. It’s very dangerous. Motor cycling is much safer. SUV driving by far the safest. Hence sales are booming worldwide and cycling enterprises are going bust.

Steve Taylor ● 52d

I drove from Boston Manor to Iver yesterday and saw a sum total of three cyclists on the 28 mile round trip despite there being dedicated infrastructure for around 80% of the route.

N V Brooks ● 52d

I’m wondering why Hall isn’t out on his bike instead of trolling. Oh, wait a moment ……..Silly me - it has indeed been  raining. With no cyclists out the pedestrian casualties will reduce today.

Steve Taylor ● 52d

And out from under their stones they crawl. :-)"Poignant memories of happier days"

N V Brooks ● 52d

Yor public display of desperation is touchingly poignant 

John Hall ● 53d

A drop of rain and the cycle lanes are deserted, theres a shock. Such dedication.

N V Brooks ● 53d

Sales of traditional bikes have reduced radically in London. I’m guessing that many have stayed open during summer just hoping that business will pick up but with cycling becoming more and more dangerous I see many closures this winter.

Steve Taylor ● 53d

How many old style pedestrian crossings are still around? Plenty of virtue signalling ones cropping up

peter king ● 53d

it’s astounding that cyclists don’t seem to realise that it’s illegal to cycle over a zebra crossing. Or are they just too arrogant to care?

Steve Taylor ● 53d

Meanwhile, back with cargo bikes, yesterday I saw a ‘family’ version travelling eastbound along the CHR cycle lane wanting to make a left turn into Windmill Road. On the face of it, this isn’t unreasonable, but, with the cycle lanes both on the south side of CHR, it now looks impossible. But such was the ingenuity of the cyclist - 1) from the cycle lane turn left onto the zebra crossing and cycle across it2) cycle onto the pavement in front of The Hound and turn left3) cycle along the pavement to join Windmill Road4) turn right onto Windmill Road and continue The pavement was busy with pedestrians but the cargo bike managed to make its way through them. Normally a cyclist in this situation should dismount but I guess that’s not practical with a cargo bike.  Instead they were obliged to commit several technical illegalities which wouldn’t have been necessary with separate cycle tracks or none at all.

Peter Evans ● 53d

"But you are far too dense for that and they needn’t have bothered trying to enlighten somebody who is so consistently and stubbornly ignorant on every topic in which he engages."And yet people still think it is worth trying to enlighten you, Humpty.

Richard Greenhough ● 54d

It’s not a man it’s a Troll

Steve Taylor ● 54d

Well done Adrian. Pointless feeding the nasty little Troll. It just spouts vitriol and and utter c£&p

Steve Taylor ● 54d

Nasty little 'man'.

N V Brooks ● 54d

That is most wonderful news and especially for you as it will save you further embarrassment.

Paul Campbell ● 54d

Paul, as promised I have reviewed both Tom's and Ed's posts and have been left puzzled why you think what you think and posted.Apologies for the delay. To Tom's post I said "the size of these monsters is certainly a problem" That’s clearly agreeing with him. As to Ed’s reply to me he wrote, “Weight is the primary factor though" I  take that to mean he agrees with me that there are other possible factors to be taken into account. Neither posts led to an explosive reaction like yours. Odd that. Maybe you're right, I am too dense to comprehend such intellects and your dazzling responses so I have come to the conclusion your posts are way beyond me and a waste of my time reading. In the light of this I have decided never to read any of your posts in future starting from this last full stop.

Adrian Irving ● 54d

It doesn't work as if either his home nursing or peripatetic care visit has happened this morning. That is very sad. If he had actually got any friends perhaps one of them could pop his medication in for him.

N V Brooks ● 56d

“I am not angry, I am not angry, I am not angry”Oh dear!  Is Skidmark angry again? It doesn’t take much. And the old chap doesn’t get out much these days. He’s too busy spewing vitriol. At his age he is a perfect candidate for a heart attack or stroke if he carries on like that. Best not to feed his anger with logical answers. He gets too upset at worked up. Poor old fool.

Steve Taylor ● 56d

Oh, I forgot to mention, whilst on the long walk keep  repeating to yourself in a soft calm voice;I am not angry, I am not angry, I am not angry.It might just help. Let's hope so.

Adrian Irving ● 56d

May I respectfully suggest, earlier to bed with a cup of coco, a long walk fist thing  then a boiled egg (with soldiers of course.) It may help with that pesky bot.

Adrian Irving ● 56d

I am not remotely angry. Your opinions are meaningless to me on account of them being so ignorant. On the contrary I am having plenty of fun watching you stand out time and time again even in the competitive field of this forum as the densest pigeon of them all.

Paul Campbell ● 56d

Oh dear Paul, I knew your anger levels would boil up during the day but who knew the insult bot would take over quite so early in the day.It's not OK.

Adrian Irving ● 56d

No that was witty but wit is another thing that cannot penetrate the density of what passes for your pigeon brain.

Paul Campbell ● 56d

Paul, an big improvement on your previous the dropping the "a" post now you have had a good night's sleep and calmed down a little.The points you've raised have been noted.I get back to you.

Adrian Irving ● 56d

“PS  It's OK to be wrong sometimes.”I don’t read Cambell’s posts because he spews such nonsense and vitriol but I am always amused by responses to his posts because he is shown time and time again to be a total moron and always wrong. Not accepting it is surely a mental illness! One can only help him by ignoring his outbursts.

Steve Taylor ● 56d

If you had the capacity to read and understand any of the information that Ed and Tom have taken the time to send you then you would realise exactly who is wrong and be eating humble pie. But you are far too dense for that and they needn’t have bothered trying to enlighten somebody who is so consistently and stubbornly ignorant on every topic in which he engages.

Paul Campbell ● 57d

Paul, on dear oh dear, and there I was I was only trying to inform you by providing some facts about braking distances and I see I have somehow badly upset you. I'll tread more carefully in future seeing how easily you get really mad.PS It's OK to be wrong sometimes.

Adrian Irving ● 57d

Robert,  I do apologise if I have inadvertently trodden on some sort of linguistic landmine that has offended your sensitivities.I sort of knew that someone like you could pop out of the woodwork when I typed "wedding tackle" implying only men drove monster trucks (not choice of cars Robert) but carried on anyway.Silly me.

Adrian Irving ● 57d

Adrian seems to think that men rule the roost when it comes to choice of cars.  That might be a reflection of how his house works.

Robert Dawbarn ● 57d

The bigger and heavier the ‘tractor’ the safer it is for you and your family. Why compromise if you can afford not to.

Steve Taylor ● 57d

Adrian, I missed an "a" off a word and I do it again when I say that you are one of the densest rseholes I've had the displeasure to be acquainted with.

Paul Campbell ● 57d

"more seriously" ha ha

Paul Campbell ● 57d

“ There is a solution: tax heavier vehicles more, which is exactly what France is doing.”Don’t be silly. In Chiswick they will be fighting to get in the queue to buy the heaviest vehicles as it will be their confirmed status symbol.

Steve Taylor ● 57d

Weight is the primary factor though.The Economist did an interesting bit of research and concluded that "for every life that the heaviest 1% of SUVs and trucks save, there are more than a dozen lives lost in other vehicles."https://www.economist.com/interactive/united-states/2024/08/31/americans-love-affair-with-big-cars-is-killing-themThere is a solution: tax heavier vehicles more, which is exactly what France is doing.A Land Rover Discover costs around €20,000 in weight surcharge alone.  If it is a petrol or diesel engine, the CO2 surcharge can be up to €60,000 (compared to £1650 for UK VED).  Not forgetting the referendum on parking charges in Paris which could see SUV owners paying €18 per hour to park.Paris is serious about reducing heavy cars from their streets which will make them much safer - as a result, you may see beaucoup de tracteurs de Chiswick in Paris!

Ed Saper ● 57d

"You're not reading the facts. heavier vehicles re resulting in more fatalities" Paul I think you ment  to type,You're not reading the facts. Heavier vehicles result in more fatalities. Anger can do that to a bloke.BTWYou're not reading my posts carefully  before you lash out.I repeat;"Weight is a factor but far from the only one in the modern age."

Adrian Irving ● 57d

Always amusing to ruffle some petty bourgeois reactionary feathers, but more seriously, I do wonder if there’s a correlation between the 2 tractors, Chelsea and Chiswick. Are owners of the latter, more likely to own the former? Locally this certainly seems to be the case.

Russell Pearson ● 57d

Brilliant! So you can’t state a single place where people can’t get deliveries. Do you want to know why? Because it is a lie that you just made up like every other stupid thing you say. The automotive industry suffers by far the biggest losses for product recall of any industry. And it will continue to do so as new tech is built into cars. But somebody who is so distant from reality has no chance of actually comprehending facts so carry on believing cars are much safer than bikes.

Paul Campbell ● 57d

Wonderful Paul, did someone borrow your one brain cell when you were writing your reply?Look back on this forum and you will see plenty of complaints from residents around the Grove Park/Hartingdon Road area that were struggling to get deliveries.As for the product recalls, maybe you can remind us when was the last product recall for a new car from one of the main manufacturers due it being so badly put together that the chassis was in danger of cracking up - because that is what the cargo bike recalls are about and it is some of the largest manufacturers that have the problems

Justin Stephenson ● 57d

Rather than seat belts and safety bags and other protective features, you could say that the 'safest' car would have a spike coming out of the centre of steering wheel and pointing at the driver. They'd drive ever so carefully then!

Peter Evans ● 57d

Those 2 cars tom mentions are both widely used by the police in most states and used by all responders from fire to ambulance.One stat.In the USA about 1.5 million people are charged for DUI32% of all traffic crash fatalities in the United States involve drunk drivers.

Julian Pavey ● 57d

True Janice and very few 'local' shops. Having lived and worked in the the USA (New Hampshire, Arizona and Florida) you don't 'pop round the corner' to the shops you drive to the nearest mall. In some areas people walking are treated with suspicion. "Why aren't they driving". It's a weird society with the status of ever bigger cars with bigger engines** seemingly paramount. **The Kia Sportage, the most popular SUV, is sold in Europe and theUK with a 1598cc engine, In the States it has a 2.5 litre engine and achieves around 30% less mpg (even allowing for the smaller US gallon).

N V Brooks ● 57d

“ Last year there were the highest number of pedestrian deaths since 1981.”Do you think that could be because there has been a population explosion since  1981 or are you saying that overall deaths in the US have reduced since 1981 and only pedestrian deaths have increased?  If so this is surely proportionate with the increase in pedestrians since 1981?

Steve Taylor ● 57d

Not in Ealing it didn't, which is whay over 4000 people marched in protest Tom

N V Brooks ● 57d

Must be a magnet as it works for you pal.

N V Brooks ● 57d

"Carbrian is an incredible phenomenon."Is that a new nickname for Brian Coyle, Humpty ? I'm sure he will be flattered at your compliment.

Richard Greenhough ● 57d

America always had huge vehicles.

Janice Evans ● 57d

The size of these monsters Tom is certainly a factor which no doubt is directly inversely linked to the size of the owners brain and wedding tackle.

Adrian Irving ● 57d

If thar driver was in an old school mini she wouldn't have made it into the school grounds let alone killed those two girls. Think FFS!

Paul Campbell ● 57d

You're not reading the facts. heavier vehicles re resulting in more fatalities. Carbrian is an incredible phenomenon. It's like a sleight of hand from a magician to say look at that dangerous cargo bike it's so heavy compared to a Brompton  and ignore all the pricks buying Land Rover Discoveries and smashing them into children.

Paul Campbell ● 57d

“The reason is simply the increase in larger vehicles, SUVs and trucks, on the roads. “That’s right. Sales are booming because these vehicles are safer for the drivers and their passengers. Surely everyone wants to keep their families as safe as possible when they commute? Hence so many parents are not allowing their children to cycle because it’s become so incredibly dangerous. Hence bike sales are down and more and more cycle shops are going bust.

Steve Taylor ● 57d

That's true Paul to which the same applies to  Brompton verses cargo bike, however the advances in technology since your "old style mini" example have undoubtedly saved many lives.Also because of improved front end design less injured would be sustained if you were hit low speed by a Range Rover than your "old style" mini.Weight is a factor but far from the only one in the modern age.

Adrian Irving ● 57d

Pedestrian fatalities have been rising  over the last few years in the US despite the introduction of more technology.  Last year there were the highest number of pedestrian deaths since 1981. The reason is simply the increase in larger vehicles, SUVs and trucks, on the roads. The Cadillac Escalade and Ford Super Duty pickup, hardly cheap vehicles, are singled out as the most fatal models.

Tom Pike ● 57d

Yes blocking people is essential to the user experience on X. If it annoys bitter old men who can't cope with people supporting LTNs then all the better.

Paul Campbell ● 57d

The bigger the car when it smashes into something like a kerb, then a railing, then a fence and then some children having a tea party at school the more force it carries to kill them regardless of how much technology it has.

Paul Campbell ● 57d

Average braking distances at 60 mph on a dry road;1970s....200ftToday....130ft.Think, Abs, drum verses disc, tyre technology.In broad terms the more expensive the car the better the brakes.

Adrian Irving ● 57d

You haven’t blocked me. Fortunately my feed is more interesting. Your blocking skills have been pointed out on here. Sorry to diminish your ego.

Robert Dawbarn ● 57d

When you find yourself compelled to respond to my posts on a forum and complaining about me blocking you on X I'm deep into your headspace.

Paul Campbell ● 57d

Not embittered but still crying about a Council survey that showed LTNs are popular? Sure Robert. Sure. I'm not here to feed fish to sealions. This is probably one of the reasons you find yourself getting blocked on X You may have the right to speak freely but I have the right to not listen or care about what you say no matter how hard you find it to shake me out of your head.

Paul Campbell ● 57d

And please, get out of your echo chamber, you are not in anyone’s headspace save your own…

Robert Dawbarn ● 57d

Not old. Not embittered. Not one of my questions answered.

Robert Dawbarn ● 57d

"This isn't a community forum. It's a cesspit."And much of the crap that goes into it is generated by you."And yes it does seem to attract the thickest people in London."Self-awareness at last, Humpty ?

Richard Greenhough ● 57d

Robert welcome to my personal fan club of embittered old men who can't stand me voicing my opinions and disrespecting their's. I am not going to occupy far more of your headspace than is healthy. Join the party old man.

Paul Campbell ● 57d

Ok, let’s not deflect/obfuscate/waffle.  Yes or no answers.1. Did you start a thread titled “3 in 4 Hounslow Residents Support LTNs”?2. Did Sadiq Khan state that the LTN in Streatham causes “huge problems”?3. Do you think your posts on here are a causal effect in the platform becoming a cesspit?4. Do you think if you left this platform then this community will “be better” without you in it?

Robert Dawbarn ● 57d

All polling, even by the government when it was trying to show that people didn’t like LTNs, has shown that LTNs are supported. Non-representative objections at consultations, overwhelmingly dominated by older people, can give quite different results, but I’m sure you wouldn’t argue that should be taken as a veto on any action.

Tom Pike ● 57d

Perhaps our local elderly white car lobby is so insouciant about the far greater risk posed by these heavy vanity vehicles because the children killed by the driver were called Nuria and Selena instead Tabitha or Tarquin?

Paul Campbell ● 58d

It is a good example of the ethical conundrum. If the driver had been in an old mini, had a seizure and driven into a fence at the same speed, she’d likely be dead or seriously injured.  On this occasion, she was unharmed and several children died instead. As a society, do we prefer to save drivers of oversized, heavy cars from the consequences of their actions / choices, or the lives of children enjoying a tea party on the last day of school? As the gun lobby debate has shown in the USA, it isn’t clear cut that a society would prefer to save the children if it means an erosion of freedom or loss of entitlement for the driver.

Ed Saper ● 58d

"Who was it that claimed that 3 in 4 Hounslow residents supported LTNs?"The Council's independent MRS compliant survey. Every poll ever conducted on LTNs in London shows tat more people support them than don't. Why wouldn't they? They make our streets safer and far more pleasant to move around and live in. And as time goes by and more people experience their benefits the gap in polling will only widen. People who are too stupid to understand how polling works can't comprehend this but there is much else they are unable to comprehend. This isn't a community forum. It's a cesspit. And yes it does seem to attract the thickest people in London. And that's right I am pleased that Chiswick Pets is closing. Communities are better when some people are no longer in them. Onwards and upwards.

Paul Campbell ● 58d

A forum for the thickest people in London…Who was it that claimed that 3 in 4 Hounslow residents supported LTNs?  Who was it that rejoiced at people losing their jobs at Chiswick Pets? I don’t know why you choose to portray yourself as you do. What do you gain from it? Perhaps stop blocking people on X, engage with people with differing views. It might open your eyes. You know that Devonshire Road is one way, your whataboutery response is one that might get likes on a social media platform.  This platform did not gain traction by likes/clicks, it’s a community forum where local people can help each other out by answering queries.

Robert Dawbarn ● 58d

The basic laws of physics are so beyond the grasp of some people on this forum and Carbrain rot so set in that they are finding themselves arguing that cargo bikes are dangerous and this is safe. 

Paul Campbell ● 58d

The Economist did a piece last month on What to do about America’s killer cars:https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/09/05/what-to-do-about-americas-killer-carsHeavier cars make the roads much more dangerous for pedestrians (doubling annual fatalities over 15 years) and other car drivers. They point out this is an interesting ethical question - the owner of a Land Rover Discovery is safer, but everyone else is harmed by their choices. Those who choose to use the lightest vehicles - and using a Chiswick Tractor to take the kids to school is about the lightest way to go - are making everyone else safer, but put themselves at more risk.

Ed Saper ● 58d

Actually that isn't correct Paul. Check out the relatively braking distances of a high powered modern car with equally powerful brakes with an older car's braking distance and you will find modern cars are far and away safer.

Adrian Irving ● 58d

We see plenty of 'family' cargo bikes around Chiswick, with children conveniently placed in the front at car bumper level so they'll be the first to feel the impact.  No wonder Tabitha and Tarquin weren't happy! (see earlier blog!) We also have many more 'Zoom' delivery cargo bikes and monster e-bikes going down our street as we must be on a favourite route to and from the 'dark kitchens' of the South Acton Industrial Estate. They also have a habit of hurtling along the footpaths across Acton Green Common, and I'm not sure if this is what the prevailing cycling bylaws here intended.  Some have also realised they can conveniently pedal/motor straight through Sainsburys car park, scattering all before them.

Peter Evans ● 58d

Nope. A higher powered and heavier vehicle will kill those girls. And did. Is this forum a magnet for the thickest people in London?

Paul Campbell ● 58d

ANY motor vehicle driven by someone who had a seizure and proceeding out of control is likely to cause casualties.

N V Brooks ● 58d

Sadly Brian a crap driver in an old school mini would be very unlikely to kill two schoolgirls having a party a hundred metres from a road at their school. Massive high powered vehicles are far more destructive.

Paul Campbell ● 58d

Brilliant reactionary post!1. Nostalgia factor of cargo bikes seems quite nice but is probably a bit sinister and a sign of economic regression2. LTNs which cover a tiny fraction of London and are all fully accessible to all motor vehicles are operating as such a powerful deterrent to delivery vehicles that traders are being forced to use bikes instead. I mean this a genius take really.3. There are places in Chiswick where people can no longer receive deliveries. Presumably because of LTNs and cycle lanes. Really? Where are these places? Why have the residents not sent out a SOS.4. Cargo bikes are unsafe whereas motor vehicle manufacturers have a completely clean record of no faults and no product recalls so we should really be very fearful of the danger of cargo bikes and not two tonne high powered motor vehicles. More genius.Well done! One of the best reactionary conservative posts I have read in a while on this forum. are you really this used to talking to credulous muppets that you think this sort of stuff sounds clever? Please keep it coming.

Paul Campbell ● 58d

"...unfortunately, lethally dangerous around schools". Why? The vehicles themselves are not lethally dangerous at all - it's the drivers who cause the lethally dangerous situations, whether it's around schools or anywhere else.

Brian Coyle ● 58d

Does it ever get tiring carrying these chips on your shoulder?

Paul Campbell ● 58d

Will never forget the scene of a neighbour putting his terrified kids into one of those carts. Tarquin and Tabitha screamed their heads off in disbelief and dismay as their ‘Modern Parents’ gleefully ‘coaxed’ them in. Of course they did have a big Chelsea Tractor too. But don’t they all?

Russell Pearson ● 58d

We looked into moving pallets between units by bike using this pallet trailer - carries up to 200KG:https://www.fleximodal.fr/en_US/bicylift-100I recall that during Covid cargo bikes gained the moniker "Chiswick Tractors" - more in reference to the large increase in Babboe bikes ferrying kids to local schools.I feel it is a nice counterpoint to the "Chelsea Tractors" - mainly Land Rover Discovery models which take up so much space and are both anti-social and, unfortunately, lethally dangerous around schools.Wouldn't it be great if "Chiswick Tractor" caught on and Chiswick forever became synonymous with the move away from cars!

Ed Saper ● 58d

It's back to the past for me. As a teenager I delivered booze to the good folk of Hammersmith and Chiswick for a Fuller Smith & Turner off licence in King Street on an " Open All Hours" type delivery bike. There is an example of this fine machine in the brewery museum. No electric motors or cycle lanes back then! Good to see them back.

Adrian Irving ● 58d

" I think an attempt was made to get one off the ground previously but it never came to anything."Given that Chiswick has by far the largest counts of cargo bikes in outer London, with a growth last year of 73%, I'd say that 2020 trial may well have helped spark something. It also helps that Chiswick is relatively densely populated and flat, as well as affluent.You've probably noticed that very many of those Ocado Zoom bikes use Fishers Lane. Councillor Biddolph was quite right when she insisted that Chiswick needed protected NS cycling routes, with access for buses and deliveries. Fishers Lane is a great example of this.

Tom Pike ● 58d

Having someone do a delivery on a cargo bike means your likely to be able to pass that off as paying someone the minimum wage to do it thus overall offering a service at a low cost. Not that its a bad thing,some want to work. Saying that,you use to see certain shops delivering sandwiches and more on bikes to buisnesses and more. But no longer see that. That is likely because you now have a local near to you be it tesco or sinsburys and alike.

Julian Pavey ● 58d

Local businesses deciding to have deliveries done by cargo bike is in principle a good thing.  Very much back to the future as the butchers lad delivering by bike was a common thing before mass ownership of cars and vans.Obviously it is not appropriate for every business but the issue is whether this is being done for economic reasons - namely, that the existence of cycle lanes makes it quicker and safer - or because the creation of strict LTNs in key customer areas has effectively made it impossible to deliver any other way.  To put in simpler terms are businesses shifting because of the carrot or the stick.The problem is that if the shift is solely because of the stick then for businesses whose products are not capable of being moved by cargo bike we may end up with areas of Chiswick for which deliveries of those type of product cease, of course based on comments in this forum in the past it may be that we already have such delivery desertsFor me the bigger problem with cargo bikes seems to be an excessive number of product recalls for safety reasons; Babboe did a product recall in March, Raleigh did the same (they share the same platform with Babboe), Vogue have done a product recall this month and apparently the Dutch authorities are currently looking at Cangoo and Bakfiels.  Hopefully this is just a temporary blip

Justin Stephenson ● 58d

Mothy Grove Park Gnomes could do something positive for once and help to facilitate it, No?That would, of course, mean a break from the usual tirade of misogynistic or disabled shaming posts.

N V Brooks ● 58d

The Chiswick Shops Task Force could help to make something like that happen no?

Paul Campbell ● 58d

The high count of cargo bikes on South Parade is down to the Ocado Zoom warehouse on Sterling Road in the industrial estate. I don't order from them but I do think it is great that a proportion of deliveries is handled in this way. Presumably anything beyond a certain distance is handled by van but they obviously have a lot of customers in the W4 post code area.This shame of it is, this could be a great solution for smaller independent retailers in Chiswick if there was a cargo bike delivery service they could use. I think an attempt was made to get one off the ground previously but it never came to anything.

Anita Blake ● 58d

Any bike carrying goods is, in effect, a cargo bike. Cue the idiot arguing that it has to have a special box on the front. If course he is WRONG.

N V Brooks ● 58d

I expect Humpty would argue that the City of London people don't know what cargo bikes are.

Richard Greenhough ● 58d

Not feeding it, just baiting it and its fragile ego. What an apology for a 'man'.

N V Brooks ● 58d

Why can only assume that you don't have one given that no one of sound mental faculty would choose to live with such an odious apology for a 'man'.

N V Brooks ● 58d

Read the detailed City of London report, 77 of the bikes seized were designated as "cargo bikes* you can find the link if you look

N V Brooks ● 58d

Love it! See what happens when you provide the enabling infrastructure. Greater adoption of a sustainable and healthy mode of travel. Long live the Chiswick Tractor.

Paul Campbell ● 58d

We have figures for Chiswick High Road. Cargo-bike counts have more than doubled from 38 in a 16-hour day in 2022 to 98 in 2023. At the same time conventional bike counts increased from 2554 to 3280.But that's only the second highest count of cargo bikes in all of outer London; top is on South Parade, with 104 counts. Chiswick tractors got their name for good reason.

Tom Pike ● 58d

Don’t feed the TROLL

Steve Taylor ● 58d

There are a handful of embittered old men on this forum who are determined to prevent any reasonable discussion and who just reveal their ignorance and rudeness in their haste to react to contributors or topics they dislike. Pity their partners.

Paul Campbell ● 58d

The recent report clearly  referred to the modification of electric bikes and not cargo bikes.

David Burke ● 58d

"..stupid reactionary comments.."Translation - postings made by people who disagree with Humpty, or find his juvenile attitudes annoying. Perhaps we should crowd-fund a mirror for you ? It would do you good to look in one once you have finished reading the Telegraph each morning.

Richard Greenhough ● 58d

Maybe you should try to be less easily triggered and then you won't embarrass yourself with your stupid reactionary comments every time somebody you don't like posts something.

Paul Campbell ● 58d

"WAFI you are!"Takes one to know one. What you seem incapable of understanding is that I actually support increased use of cycles in London. Unfortunately, velomaniacs like you tend to put people's backs up and do your cause no good at all. You should have worn your helmet.

Richard Greenhough ● 58d

That description literally rules out the illegally modified bikes used by food delivery riders and supports my explanation of what a cargo bike is. I was right that you didn’t know what a cargo bike was and I know that your personal animus for me prevents you from believing anything I write but I didn’t think you were so stupid as to remain incapable of understanding it when you have researched it yourself and published the description. WAFI you are!

Paul Campbell ● 58d

"At its simplest, a cargo bike is a bicycle that allows you to carry cargo (or heavy loads) easily: this might be children or pets, your weekly shopping, furniture, your weekly veg box delivery, or anything else. Cargo bikes generally feature a longer wheelbase than a traditional bike, a sturdy frame and either a box or flatbed with rear or front-loading capacity.""I must admit that I regularly overestimate the intelligence of forum contributors"I doubt very much whether anyone overestimates your intelligence, Humpty.

Richard Greenhough ● 58d

You think the Deliveroo riders on CHR are riding cargo bikes?Nope - they are riding illegally modified bikes. The parents carrying their children on Urban Arrows, Babboes, Bakfiets and Terns and the window cleaners, bakers, plumbers and electricians riding Bullits and similar are using cargo bikes.I must admit that I regularly overestimate the intelligence of forum contributors like yourself so forgot that basic things need detailed explanation before still being rejected as too triggering for reactionary conservatives.

Paul Campbell ● 58d

"I don't think you know what a cargo bike is."A bike that carries cargo ? Or does it have some other meaning in Humpty-speak ?

Richard Greenhough ● 58d

Wrong. Read the article:"According to Transport for London’s smart traffic cameras, newly trained to differentiate passing cargo cycles from regular ones, the former increased by 73% in inner London in the year to 2023 and 63% citywide."

Paul Campbell ● 58d

I don't think you know what a cargo bike is. It is very Telegraph 2024 mindset to categorise all e-bikes in the same bracket as the illegally modified ones used by gig economy food delivery riders to demonise all electrically assisted bikes. They are not using cargo bikes. Anyway as this article shows it isn't going to stop their take up increasing for all the very good reasons explained to anybody who has the attention span to read something that isn't comic-book right wing propaganda.

Paul Campbell ● 58d

The City of London police has no time for illegal bikes and seized 295 of them in the last year for illegal modifications, most were from delivery riders.

N V Brooks ● 58d

How about a link to the recent report of how many cargo bikes have been illegally modified to exceed their speed limiters ?

Richard Greenhough ● 58d

Losing the plot Campbell? You posted an almost identical link less than six weeks ago and the increased figure relates to the City of London, an area smaller than Chiswick. Lovely bit of straw clutching there.

N V Brooks ● 58d