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Here is the purpose of the scheme as stated:"Cycle Superhighway 9 is designed to help us meet the target set out in the Mayor's draft Transport Strategy of changing the way people choose to travel so that 80 per cent of all London trips are made by foot, bicycle or public transport by 2041, up from 64 per cent today." then more specific objectives for:- Improving safety for people who want to walk and cycle- Facilitating and encouraging active travel in west London- Connecting and improving town centresThere wasn't a single mention of improving cycling journey times in the purpose or description of the scheme or any of the print media, digital media, social media used to promote the consultation. For some reason, some people believe the myth that it was. One reason may have been the amount of misinformation put out by scheme opponents that some swallowed.Reducing risk of being killed or injured is a pretty big benefit for commuting cyclists too.Some of the journey stages in the traffic modelling data tables show a reduction but these data tables were just supplementary information published about the scheme along with EQIA reports, air quality and noise modelling and about a dozen other reports as well.A frequently used expression about this type of modelling is 'all models are wrong, but some are useful'. Traffic modelling may indicate aspects of a scheme that may have undesired impacts but it can never perfectly predict what will happen in the real world.  That may be another reason why improved journey times for cyclists was never mentioned as a justification for the scheme.

Michael Robinson ● 80d

I disagree with your stereotypical 'types of cyclists' method of classification.  An opinion of who is or isn't a 'confident, well-equipped riders on relatively expensive bikes' is both highly subjective and superficial.Someone cycling from Chiswick to work in Hammersmith wearing ordinary outdoor clothes on a cheap bike wouldn't be considered a commuter according to your classification even though they are.Your 'more or less daily observation' are just anecdotes and will be highly influenced by your own prejudices.  TfL do have data on the types of people commuting by bike from their roadside surveys where they hand out a coded card for people to complete and other surveys where they sample people from the Oyster database.  I've done both types of surveys over the last year or so.  They provide a small incentive of entry in a prize draw for completing the surveys.They do publish this 'sociodemographic' data for cycling rolled up across London and will have more detail for particular areas so you could always try a FOI to get it.However in the absence of this data, it is a safe claim to make that between 2019 to 2023, a 40% increase of people cycling during peak commuting times is because more people are commuting by bike.The C9 consultation materials contained journey time modelling for general traffic, buses, cycling and walking.  Cycling times varied between no change to slight improvements depending on time and route.There isn't a single reference to improvements in cycle journey times in the stated purpose of the scheme.  Claiming it was 'initially branded as providing a boost to cycle commute times' and 'justification of reduced commute time' is simply incorrect, but it seems to be a persistent myth with some.

Michael Robinson ● 81d

You are very quick to dismiss people's observations when they contradict what you would like to be true but in the absence of any specific data on the breakdown of types of cyclists using the cycleway what people see is probably the best evidence we have. Based on more or less daily observation over the last few years, I see the proportion of commuting cyclists down.You are also very quick to wilfully misinterpret someone's argument to try and portray them as claiming something that is self-evidently untrue. I never said that people cycling at commuting times are not commuters just that some of them aren't.You have misunderstood how Lime Bike pricing works. The £8.99 a month Lime Prime deal does not give you unlimited free rides but means you pay no unlock fees. You still pay the per minute charge which means a seven minute journey would be more expensive than a bus fare.It is possible that for a small number of carefully selected journeys a Ride Pass might work out a bit cheaper than the tube but most low paid workers take the bus if they can so that is the appropriate benchmark. If a daily commute was under 20 minutes by bike, then it is possible the cost would be similar but you'd need a spreadsheet to be sure. For a significant modal shift to cycling it would have to the case that using the hire bike for an individual journey was going to be unambiguously cheaper than the alternative which is why you see so few low paid workers using them.On the Cycle Superhighway, my recollection was that commute times were given for cyclists showing reduced journey times. If you are saying that this is incorrect, I'm not going to argue the toss and accept, that although it may have been initially branded as providing a boost to cycle commute times, it never actually did.

Mark Evans ● 81d

You are just pulling anecdotes out of your posterior and presenting them as facts Mark.You are completely stereotyping what people on bikes going to work look like.You don't have any evidence to support this, let alone actually any data on the number of people cycling who meet your stereotype. If you want some factual information, from the TfL annual survey, the proportion of people cycling on CHR between 7am-9am + 5pm-7pm in 2019 was 48% of the total weekday average in 2019 and 41% in 2023. (this survey is  between 6am to 10pm).This is because of the increase in cycling during off-peak times.  Cycling during commuting times has increased by 40% but cycling during off-peak times has increased at a faster rate. This isn't a surprise given the numbers were lower to start with.TfL cycle surveys also record the direction of people cycling and during commuting times flows are 'tidal' with a large majority heading eastbound in the morning and westbound in the evening.  Inter-peak and weekend flows are balanced in both direction.The data demonstrates a large increase of people cycling during commuting times but you seem to be denying they are commuting.  If they aren't commuting, then what are they doing out there on a bike at 7:30am? There aren't many deliveroo-ists at that time. There are also lots of people on Lime bikes at that time.  You don't seem to be aware of Lime pricing. Yes, it is expensive if you don't get a subscription or a RidePass but a subscription is £8.99 a month for unlimited rides and the price is even less than that for students and key workers.  That is far cheaper than public transport. If someone was commuting between, say, Gunnersbury and Hammersmith, a 200 minute Lime RidePass is cheaper than taking the tube every day plus there would be about 50 minutes of bike use left over for other journeys in the week."Although originally branded as the Cycle Superhighway with a justification of reduced commute times for cyclists"No it didn't. You just need to refer to the original consultation material from 2017.  There is no reference to 'reduced commute time for cyclists'. The justification was improved safety, improved connections to town centres and increasing overall numbers of people using sustainable transport to meet Mayor Transport Strategy objective.What happened here is the opponents to C9, chiefly the Chiswick Conservative Councillors presented scaremongering stories of the high road being terrorised by speeding lycra-clad commuting cyclists and this was swallowed hook, line and sinker by some.  The branding is Johnsonian-hype and was changed under the current Mayor.Your opinion is a myth and not referenced anywhere in the consultation material.

Michael Robinson ● 82d

Just to be clear I never said that cycling numbers are down in Chiswick, I have always acknowledged that they are up significantly.I also didn't say commuting cycling was down (although I am not sure of the overall picture). I said it was down as a proportion of cyclists on C9. Quite what the true picture is I don't know because the data isn't that specific but you can't assume anyone cycling between 7 and 9am or 5- 7pm is commuting. Commuting cyclists are usually fairly easy to identify - confident, well-equipped riders on relatively expensive bikes proceeding very quickly often with a small rucksack on their back to enable shower and change on arrival. They also tend to be 30+ as most only start to commute by bike when they start a family as younger people will go straight out after work. You are right to say that WFH is more difficult for younger people but that doesn't necessarily translate into a high rate of cycle commuting.Although originally branded as the Cycle Superhighway with a justification of reduced commute times for cyclists, Cycleway 9 morphed into a safety measure and, in terms of perception at least, it has been hugely successful. However, if you are claiming that the proportion of commuting cyclists using it has risen from before, you need to explain to us how this has happened in the context of longer journey times along Chiswick High Road and increased WFH occurring at the same time as clearly huge growth in delivery and leisure cyclists.You are probably right that Lime will provide something of a boost to numbers on C9 going forward but to me that shows the potential of ride hire. Very few people will commute using Lime because it is so expensive but if you made it cheaper than public transport there would be a massive change in usage patterns. This to me is the only way to continue growth in cycling numbers in Chiswick and London at a level that becomes genuinely transformative rather than incremental.

Mark Evans ● 83d

Here is the thing Mark.A reason why TfL have installed multiple survey cameras along C9 and do cycle surveys at 200+ locations annually is because opinions from people like you are so unreliable.I appreciate that just reeling off some anecdotes on this forum is easy while analysing data takes work, but the good thing about doing the work is there is factual evidence that you are talking rubbish.Comparing cycling counts on CHR between 2019 and 2023  in TfL's annual survey, there is an overall increase of 64%.There isn't a decline in commuting cycling.  Numbers cycling during commuting hours of 7am-9am and 5pm to 7pm have increased by 40%.Numbers cycling have increased throughout the entire day. The biggest absolute increases are at commuting time but as these numbers were largest in 2019 to start with, some of the % increases are larger for off-peak times as these were starting from a lower level in 2019.All in all, C9 has been a great success in terms of usage and I'm looking forward to seeing the 2024 data as I think it will be even higher again with increased numbers of people cycling using Lime and other hire bikes.There is a WFH factor as numbers on a Monday and Friday are slightly less than mid-week.  I think you are reading too much into the impact of WFH.  It may be the done thing for middle-aged Chiswick people, but if you look at younger graduates starting their careers, WFH really isn't very good in a flat share with 4 other people.  It means joining a Teams conference sitting on your bed with laptop on, well your lap.  You need to pay to heat the place in winter, there aren't any social interactions with people your own age and it is much more difficult getting mentorship from more experienced people.  Plus many companies REQUIRE new joiners to come into the office for a year or so.  WFH really isn't the same deal for the younger generations and these are people who are very likely to cycle because paying for transport on top of rent and everything else is expensive.

Michael Robinson ● 85d

Nobody is saying C9 ended cycle commuting and obviously there are still peak hours of usage in the morning and the evening.However, anyone observing red lights can see around three minutes added to journey times along Chiswick High Road compared to what it used to be. In addition, at busier times you are regularly blocked by vehicles laying across the cycleway.I get improved journey times going east by staying longer on  Bath Road and Stamford Brook Avenue. I'm not a daily commuter any more but I do cycle enough to observe changes in usage patterns and behaviours. People who are clearly commuting cyclists make up a much smaller proportion of traffic on the High Road than they used to and they adopt a blended approach to using the cycleway leaving at junctions when they are more likely to progress more quickly by remaining in general traffic lanes for instance at the Chiswick Lane junction.Journey time is the critical consideration for commuters so C9 will have encouraged some to use other routes than Chiswick High Road. That said the biggest reason for the decline in commuting cycling is WFH as there is a big crossover between the type of jobs that enable this and people who cycle to work.Therefore the biggest potential market for increased cycling is people who don't WFH which tends to be lower paid workers. I accept that good cycling infrastructure can deliver exceptional returns but these will be diminishing as fewer easy to implement schemes remain. We live at a time when budgets are likely to be severely constrained and therefore some choices need to be made. My view is that getting ride hire rates below public transport costs should be an absolute priority. It would lead to an explosion in cycle usage that would justify future investment in cycle infrastructure. Without this move active travel investment is vulnerable to the claim that it mainly benefits the middle classes to the detriment of the working poor who are forced to rely on ever slower buses.

Mark Evans ● 86d

CYCLING IS DANGEROUS From Forbes“Cycle sales are at a 39-year low, reveals the latest statistics from the Bicycle Association of Great Britain and the collapse will intensify, warned executives from the industry organization at a members-only meeting Thursday.I have seen the PowerPoint presentation projected at the meeting; it will have made grim viewing for any industry executives hoping to hear that the worst of the post-pandemic slump might be over.The government has often wheeled out Brompton of London as a global success story, but even sales of folding bikes are down, reducing by 22 % in 2023.Brompton CEO Will Butler-Adams agreed that 2023 had been a terrible year for bike sales in the U.K. and the EU but that Brompton bicycles were sold around the world so the company was insulated to a degree.A slide warned members that overall market volume would “remain well below 2019 levels in 2026,” and that a “long-term continuum of decline” is “likely without Govt intervention.”Cycle use is also down, according to Department for Transport (Dft) statistics, with the pandemic’s “bike boom” peaking in March 2021 and falling precipitously since. Participation is now back to pre-pandemic levels, but the DfT’s cycle index predicts a likely decline.
Sales of costly electric bikes—currently the cycle industry’s most profitable sector— are down by 7% in volume and 5% in value. Just 150,000 e-bikes were sold in 2023.Inventory levels have remained punitively high. In 2022, U.K. suppliers imported 257,270 e-bikes, but only 161,000 were sold at retail. Storage of these bicycles and their likely eventual sale at a loss is painful for suppliers.The cycle industry has had a tumultuous few months, with several high-profile business closures.Recent failures include the demise of leading industry player Moore Large, the administration of market-leading internet retailer Wiggle/Chain Reaction, and late last year, Raleigh of Nottingham revealed it would be closing its longstanding parts and accessories business. Isla Rowntree, founder of the children’s bike brand Islabikes, cited the struggles in a shrinking market when announcing the company’s planned closure.Bike hire bikes in Manchester. CARLTON REIDSales of cycle accessories and clothing have taken a resounding hit, reveals the Bicycle Association’s sales monitoring service with an eight percent reduction in 2023 over the previous year by volume and an 11 % reduction in value.Cycling technology — such as bicycle computers, GPS navigation devices and heart rate monitors — is down by 12 % in volume and 31 % in value.Overall, 1.55 million bicycles were sold in 2023, an annual low last experienced in 1985 following the bursting of the BMX bubble. With the introduction of mountain bikes, sales subsequently recovered, with the U.K. industry typically selling more than 3 million bicycles annually.The Bicycle Association has sought government support for the cycle industry for several years. In 2018, it commissioned a report making the “industrial case” for government subsidies and support. The Value of the Cycling Sector to the British Economy report argued that the U.K. cycle industry was worth three times more than the U.K. steel industry and employed twice as many people.Online searches for premium versus entry-level bicycles showed the “most significant drop in interest has been at entry level,” Bicycle Association members learned.With fewer newbie cyclists, the slump will continue to worsen, Bicycle Association members were told.Sales of road bikes and gravel bikes bucked the trend, increasing sales by 8 and 11 %, respectively, but all other categories were down. Sales of costly triathlon bikes fell by 34% in 2023.The Bicycle Association’s presentation revealed that sales during the pandemic’s bike boom might have been good for those bike shops that could get stock but that suppliers overextended themselves. A little under 3 million bicycles were imported in 2022, but only 2.13 million were sold at retail. This inventory glut reduced in 2023, with supply catching up with demand, but many more suppliers will likely go to the wall in the months ahead if the slump in sales continues.It’s unlikely that the U.K. government — which pivoted to a populist pro-motoring stance last year — will support the cycle industry.Earlier this week, a report from the Institute for Public Policy Research think tank, concluded that underfunding of active travel in the past decade has hampered U.K. cycling and walking by failing to make them attractive as modes of travel. £35 per person per year is needed, it urges, for the foreseeable future, in infrastructure building and other interventions, to realize active travel’s economic, health and environmental benefits.In the 2016 to 2021 period, an average of £148 per person per year was spent on motorists, calculates IPPR.Last year, the already low level of funding for Active Travel England was cut by £233 million and the rhetoric surrounding the government’s new “plan for drivers” has shown that promoting active travel is no longer considered the priority it was for former Prime Minister Boris Johnson who, at the height of the pandemic, promised a future “golden age for cycling.”

Steve Taylor ● 87d