Seems that Dr Cass has delivered a very sensitive and considered report re children trans issues. I always found it unbelievable that teachers did not talk with parents of young children that are struggling with their identity. Teacher are there to teach, yes well being is vital but surely the parents must be involved with their own kids. Some young people are so vulnerable for a variety of reasons so as a society we must look out for them, given young children hormone treatment etc. can’t be right. Celebrities promoting anything that can be detrimental to a child’s health is just plain wrong. They should stick to their day job!
Jayne Thorburn ● 22d71 Comments
Problem is the Government is stop in its tracks at trying to run the U.K. andpeople are just sick of it all.
Janice Evans ● 15d
I think we are all in the same boat, pretty shocking state of affairs 😂😂😂
Jayne Thorburn ● 15d
Yes but I can't stand any of them.
Chris Blackwell ● 15d
"Chris, it just sounds like to are trying to find excuses to vote Conservative"If Labour is the answer, it must have been a very silly question.
Richard Greenhough ● 15d
Stick with it Chris don't waste your vote.
Why are we sending aid money to Countries that don't need it, or do they need it ?
Wales is in no better situation under Labour actually think it is worse.
I wish the answer was so simple, Covid has blown a hole in most western countries who are struggling with similar issues. On the one hand the essential financial support provided during Covid has lead to a massive debt, the NHS did the best job they could during this period but it has exposed how vulnerable the NHS is and has been over many decades. The reality was discussed back in the 80/90s with an aging population, much better medical/ tech interventions, less people working to pay taxes to cover pensions, NHS, social care. Immigration is a challenge because we need vital skills yet struggle with the infrastructure for a growing population. It’s a perfect storm and I don’t hear one politician from any party talking about a vision to address any of the issues. I say again money is not the only answer. The whole structure and societies expectations need to change.
Rather wilfully missing the point, Jayne. Governments choose to spend what money is available on the things they want. This government has been in power for fourteen years - presiding and presumably wanting to erode the infrastructure and faith in public institutions. Why else is the NHS struggling, schools collapsing, social care in such a mess, the asylum processing system failing? I blame the politicians in power for letting this happen on their watch preferring to inflict economic harm on the country in a failed attempt to keep their wretched, immoral, xenophobic party together.
Stewart Jones ● 15d
Chris, it just sounds like to are trying to find excuses to vote Conservative even though you know it’s wrong.
Paul Campbell ● 16d
I am with Chris, trillion is raised through tax yet all our institutions are just not providing the standard they should. I have said it before money alone does not fix these issues. The systems seem completely broken and have been in decay for decades. It’s like we can’t handle change or politicians are too frightened to make the changes the system needs. Plus of course to change such a massive employer like the NHS takes decades and should not be headed up via politicians. I have lost faith in all politicians and parties.
Jayne Thorburn ● 16d
A simple Google wiil sort out your first point. Or address someone in the Labour Party.
Stewart Jones ● 16d
Meanwhile I still have NO IDEA of Labour's policies or how they intend to implement them. All politicans openly lie. Politics at the moment is reactionary rather than actionary and I don't think for one minute that Labour or anybody else would be any better.
Chris Blackwell ● 16d
I agree that it is equally applicable to the Labour Party should they get in. I disagree totally that all parties are the same. Governments make choices on how to spend money. The party in power is choosing, for example, to spend £2millon on an individual asylum seeker to send him/her to an unsafe country ( as deemed by the UK courts) That is a choice. Not all politicians are untrustworthy. Unfortunately, the UK has been badly served by politicians who openly lie because they do not care.
The politics of "Your party allowed this to happen" will be equally applicable to Labour (should they get in). All parties are the same, they are all working with the same amount of money, and all politicians are untrustworthy.Also I have absolutely NO IDEA who to vote for ...
Jayne, children and young people have been abandoned by the party that you choose to vote for. Letting children fall into poverty,reducing frontline services likely CAMHS -all under too many years of your chosen party in power. The clues are there. I do not doubt your sincerity in wanting services in place to support children and young people facing transgender issues but it's hard to balance that with apparently no concern at all for children falling into real poverty,which the party you support has just simply allowed to happen.
I didn’t vote for this???? I feel genuinely sad for young people who need help and it must be tough for parents too
Just shocking. Absolutely. It is what you voted for though.
Stewart Jones ● 17d
Dr Cass in radio 4, young people appear to have had a very raw deal with mental health support, she claims the debate has become so toxic that mental health services didn’t want to touch the matter. Just shocking that the kids in turmoil didn’t get the support they deserve.
Jayne Thorburn ● 17d
Ha, you are probably correct, but if she thought brindle was a pattern she should have said so, enjoy the sun.
Janice Evans ● 20d
No one said they are always right. My point is that you both were correct up to a point and rather than engaging in a discussion with that person you not only dismissed that individual but proceeded on that basis to judge an entire profession in a very negative way.There are nuances around issues which seem to elude you - evidenced in your response to the subject of this thread.Enough already. I’m going to enjoy the sunshine
Stewart Jones ● 20d
Teachers are not always right they don't know everything.
There you have it. You were both right. See, it’s not hard, is it.
Moisture was incorrect, should read mixture.
On a pet is says a mixture of colours, my reply to the teacher was correct,really not worth arguing about I know I was correct.
You are not wrong but there is a discussion around whether it is a colour or a pattern. There are nuances around many issues, Janice.
When you google add 'on a pet' it says moisture of colours.
Black/brown and tan. It said Brindle on his papers.
It states that it's a mixture of browns/tans not a flat colour.
As is par for the course, you are quick to jump to the wrong conclusion. Try Googling ‘Is brindle a colour or a pattern? ‘
Julians post 12/4 was correct, you have rattled their cage.
What are you talking about being sensitive towards kids???? You really don’t have a clue 😂😂😂😂
Jayne Thorburn ● 20d
With every post you prove me to be right. You just can't help it.
Paul Campbell ● 21d
It was wonderful to hear from a professional that gender issues with children is incredibly sensitive and they should be support mentally rather than medically until they are older and truly understand the consequences of taking medications, surgery etc. common sense prevails
Jayne Thorburn ● 21d
I think you have rather proved Paul's point. No one on your thread has criticised the report. You decided to have a go at teachers rather than accepting that this is very new territory for young people, their parents and a range of professionals. Your motivation was to make a point about your understanding of being 'woke'Better to be woke than asleep.
Stewart Jones ● 21d
Like the euphemism for death, then.
Claire Moran ● 21d
😂😂😂
Steve Taylor ● 21d
Apology accepted.
One conversation ever with a teacher- that explains a lot.
Only ever had one conversation with a teacher when we were talking about pets, she ask me what colour my dog was and I said he is brindle, shepromptly told me there was no such colour, I never bothered with them after that they must all be like Stewart.
Janice Evans ● 21d
Sorry transgender, I did shorten it which I have habit of doing when sending texts,
Stewart tell google, I put in transgend or transition.
I think that’s rather unfair to Janice
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’It looks like the Campbell influence is spreading.
Richard Greenhough ● 21d
There is no such word
Or as Terry Pratchett and Steeleye Span put it :"Band of teachers, looked like tinkersSold invisible thingsAlways skintAfter they sold what they hadStill had it, they sold what everyone neededBut often didn't wantKey to the universe, a precious tokenSold to those unaware it was lockedKept apart from all other travelersWith their ragged clothesAnd strange square hatsSleeping under cold cold starsOn the moor and deep in snowHeading for a land too farSee the band of teachers goBright colored tents and patchwork boothsHitched on the commonOut of the wayPatrolled by young apprentice teachersLookin for listeners, who didn't want to payTeachers of math were counting starsAstronomers measured, what they couldLiterary teachers named each oneGeography teachers, lost in the wood"
Transgend means those who don't wish to undergo surgery.
Sorry Stewart thought it was the same.
“ my other point is that teachers should be able to talk with parents”No, no, no! Teachers must stay out of it. They have far too much on their plates. The issue is far too complex for teachers.
Janice, people do not’transgend’ , they transition.
I'm off Julian 😉
The part that bothers me is that some children will do things for attentionif not getting attention at home, not all I must add so hope each case isassessed thoroughly.
GrrrRight you lot,your opinion is not valid on this forumGet out of the room,go on,get outLeft,right,left,right left,left,rightSignedCorporal Jones3rd betallion of the chiswickie Lefty lib brigade
Julian Pavey ● 21d
I think that’s the point of the report, it’s about gender identity with children not adults. I totally get some kids would struggle to talk with parents first, my other point is that teachers should be able to talk with parents and not close them out the loop. It’s refreshing that a professional having reviewed all the evidence has provided a transparent and honest report rather than being influenced by woke mentality.
Most teachers are not trained to talk to parents or children about gender issues. Granted, some teachers may also have psychology degrees but they should not be expected to take responsibility for this as well. Parents rely far too much on teachers to do their jobs, i e the job of parenting.
I did read an article that said adults who transgend are more successfuland fewer regrets than those that transgend at a younger age, so agreesome sort of support until old enough to make the right decision, it's a shame that children cannot talk to parents first but understand as if I hadany sort of problem I wouldn't have been able to discuss it with myparents so they will look for support elsewhere.
Stewart, Humpty decided to use the issue as an excuse for one of his regular attacks on Conservative supporters (and has done so again further down the thread). Why don't you ask him to stick to the issue ?
Peter, I agree totally that the lack of proper advice hinders any real support for young people but as this thread demonstrates certain people, for their own reasons, want to make an issue of something that is very personal to young people and their families and can’t stop themselves from needing to have a view.
Stewart Jones ● 22d
Jayne, also please explain how anyone on your thread has been insulting to children/young people?
You started this thread, Jayne. Why?
I'm told some of the social media sites and 'influencers' discourage children from sharing with their parents as 'they won't understand'. Equally, many schools have guidance about respecting students confidentiality. The main thrust of the report seemed to be that the lack of readily available advice and support creates long waiting times that leave matters unresolved and encourage children and their families to seek help from other sources.
Peter Evans ● 22d
Appalling do you honestly believe that all kids talk everything through with their parents, give me a break. Changing gender is a major step for anyone, children are precious. The role of parents is to protect them as much as possible and in my view a child isn’t in a position to make such a monumental decision at such a tender age. They need support until they mature, please stop being so insulting to children. Feeding a child hormone treatment is neither sensible or in their interest. The report by a professional says it all. So yes I value professional input rather than the back street drivers on this forum that know nothing.
Jayne Thorburn ● 22d
You can just copy their lazy prose and stick into google to find out where they read it that day. Sometimes it is just a derivative Facebook group for reactionary conservatives where another lazy unoriginal reactionary conservative has done it before them. A derivative of a derivative right-wing culture war trope. More defective the more it gets refracted.
Paul Campbell ● 22d
The clues are there….!
The other thing about reactionary conservatives is that they are incapable of original thought. Everything they think about anything is planted in their minds by a client journalist at the Mail, Telegraph or Times. They just regurgitate so-called opinion pieces from the right-wing press on forums like this and try to pass them off as their own ideas.
If parents are unable to have developed a trusting relationship with their own children then who's responsible for that?. Bandwagon. Jumping on.
Let's just stick to the issue,Richard. How about that?
Sorry no idea what you are talking about it must be really hard for a child to talk about gender issues with their parents. Not all parents but some, my point being teachers should be able to talk with parents. Cutting parents out of the equation is plain wrong in my view. Some kids not all obviously can be influenced by trends, the report is by a professional you should read it….nothing to do with politics 🥺🥺
And that is from CW4's leading reactionary velomaniac ! He always disappoints.
Richard Greenhough ● 22d
The report nay be sensitive and considered but the response of nasty reactionary Conservatives is as insensitive and ill-considered as expected. They never disappoint.
Why the rush to blame teachers? Shouldn't parents be talking to their own children? And btw a lot of teachers are parents too.You appear keen to swiftly comment on an issue that really needs clinical information and a bit of empathy.