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End Of Life Protocol...

Alan D. Miller is protesting about the attempt to end the life of an elderly woman at University College Hospital London; shes been denied nutrition for 47 days and is now being dehydrated to death. You can read the ghastly story at alanvibe twitter from 23 hours ago and also at  togetherdec  on twitter. Alan has previously spoken out at Chiswick Memorial Club on a different subject.What have we become ???

Anna Kirkpatrick ● 106d30 Comments

Maajid Nawaz founder of Quilliam think tank - 'midazolam and excess death now overlap each other almost perfectly, so in 2020 the explanation that excess deaths are caused by midazolam is very very strong'you can find out more in  maajidnawaz.substack.com/p/exclusive-interview-uk-excess-deaths

Anna Kirkpatrick ● 81d

The N.H.S has been abused over many years.

Janice Evans ● 86d

Before the pandemic we had an underfunded, understaffed and overworked NHS woefully unprepared for an expected sometime global pandemic.  We still have.  Although Nightingale Hospitals were built and equipment eg the many beds procured.  There was never enough staff despite the number being brought back out of retirement and long hours of dedicated work by workers including many trainees.  Many medical staff lost their lives due to their long and close proximity with very sick patients.  Why don't you question the staff to patient ratio especially overnight?  Patients need to be turned every so many hours so as not to get bedsores which are very difficult to get rid of and can lead to sepsis.  Two staff plus equipment are needed at a time to turn one patient and even more equipment if a patient is very heavy.  Special electric mattresses can help but these are expensive, break down and themselves need care and maintenance.  Electric cushions and other special cushions together with good hydration and food is also needed to avoid bedsores aka pressure sores ie by keeping the skin healthy.  Help to walk safely to the loo requires help as falls are definitely to be avoided especially after anaesthetic as many try and get up too soon or too fast and faint.  This takes staff involvement and shows how very important it is to try and stay mobile as long as possible!

Philippa Bond ● 86d

JacquiDeevoy1  twitter  February 18th -"When a loved one is unlawfully euthanised, getting justice is so difficult. The police arent interested, the coroners side with the medics, your legal costs can run into hundreds of thousands,you re up against the govt and the NHS with their bottemless pit of legal funding against the little guy. All power to those brave enough to take on the system and seek justice, keep them in your thoughts and prayers".

Anna Kirkpatrick ● 87d

He left Pfizer in 2011 when they closed their research facility.

Philippa Bond ● 89d

Dr Mike Yeadon - the former Pfizer global head for respiratory illness, he has a Phd in morphine use ; "I am convinced that over 100,000 people were killed by our govt protocols of midazolam and morphine".

Anna Kirkpatrick ● 89d

Note this from Dominic Cummings on twitter august 1st 2021Dominic2306      -  Westminster seems happy to "hire people to do urgent job X instantly in a pandemic x2  each  2-3 days" was borderline illegal. And v keen we keep the system that killed 100,000 unneccessarily so next pandemic we kill even more.Means our UK govt were hiring people to kill off 2 patients every 2-3 days in hospital and care homes until they d reached the 100,000 target ????

Anna Kirkpatrick ● 94d

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-schwab-population/fact-check-depopulation-quote-has-been-misattributed-to-klaus-schwab-idUSL2N2OB1JW/Most women I'm sure would prefer not to have child after child in the knowledge that they do not have enough food and some will starve and others will become ill due to the illnesses that we in this country no longer suffer from eg polio which I presume you are too young to have had classmates suffering from.  When fewer children die then families become smaller.  Reducing Foreign Aid in the form of family planning has been detrimental to many women who would prefer to do a lot more than just be a constant baby making machine. You should read the work of Hans Rosling the physician, educator and statistician who with his wife worked in Africa.

Philippa Bond ● 99d

The Quality Care Commission who regulate our GP surgeries, care homes etc  have been on the take from the World Economic Forum.. The W.E.F. are of course infamous for their depopulation agenda.

Anna Kirkpatrick ● 99d

There used to be the Liverpool Care Pathway which was in many cases not used in the way in which it was intended with many patients being distressed through thirst.  This had a lot of bad press (there is plenty on the internet) and was moved on from.  Patients were also being put on this without any consultation with family who were visiting and asking about the welfare of their loved one.  We do not prepare ourselves enough for old age or disability  and how we would live in our homes should something happen to us - what adjustments and changes we would need to make - or discuss it with our nearest and dearest.  Great ideas about building homes for life and even just the accessibility of public buildings and transport seems too often to have failed following reports, recommendations and laws.The frustration of someone who has had a stroke and cannot communicate is devastating and you will have to learn to asked what are closed questions which if you yourself are in  shock is made harder.I thought that our GPs at one time had been tasked with asking us whether we wanted Do Not Resuscitate written on our notes - that is certainly better than a person with a clipboard meeting you with the question as you enter the hospital.You will also have to consider whether or what funds you have for ongoing care because it can be a real fight to get any even if you think you are eligible and there is a lack of care staff.  The small Carers Allowance also stops when you retire so you had better have a good pension. We've all got to go sometime.

Philippa Bond ● 99d

JACQUI DEEVOY who has done alot to expose the end of life midazolam scam has recorded an interview with Brian Gerrish - a former navy officer who now works to expose child trafficking. You can see their interview at  ukcolumn.org/video/jacqui-deevoy-warns-of-uk-democide

Anna Kirkpatrick ● 99d

Medical professionals are using NG163/191 to euthanise our elderly and sick. This profession has plummeted new depths.

Anna Kirkpatrick ● 105d

The way to go Tessa, provided the person understands what and who they are searching for, and knows their way around a keyboard and the internet.An elderly person not brought up in the digital age, and with only only a few trustworthy friends of similar age to ask advise, often has no other option but to go straight to a solicitor.They would be paying a fee of around £850, including Registration fees.

Denis I. Fox ● 106d

I had The Financial and the Health  LPA’s work done for around £400 but it differs for each individual.The Office of the Public Guardian charge £82 to register one LPA So two will cost £164.00 It also takes twenty weeks to complete the process

Bernard Allen ● 106d

You certainly don't need to pay expensive solicitor fees to lodge an LPA. There's lot's of guidance available through https://www.gov.uk/power-of-attorneyIn addition you can write advance directives with the guidance of organisations like;https://compassionindying.org.uk/

Tessa Russell ● 106d

If not already done, when an ailing or elderly person is still in a sound frame of mind, consideration ought to be given to their end of life welfare, and allocation of assets.As Bernard and Philippa have pointed out, a Lasting Power of Attorney is a sensible document to attain.It is worth pointing out however that a solicitor wouldn't give back much change from £900.

Denis I. Fox ● 106d

Scottish Covid Enquiry; Bill Jolly, " They found my father on his hands and knees trying to get to the toilet, I was then told that they were going to introduce end of life medication - midazolam.I was shocked".

Anna Kirkpatrick ● 106d

Julian, what Anna is talking about is called 'pathway' which a lot of patients now face at the end and is thought to be a kind end of life treatment.

Janice Evans ● 106d

Bernard, yes I have also seen the good and the bad, so many people just accept what they are told so would say think about what you are told and if not happy speak up and question anything that's bothering you when in hospital, or even speaking with a consultant.

Janice Evans ● 106d

When my mother was on 'pathway' we ask for the mask that gives moistureit's like an oxygen mask but gives fine mist it was a great help.

Janice Evans ● 106d

Sepsis is incredibly fast moving.In 2020 I went from feeling mildly unwell, through screaming in pain with uncontrollable rigors to being ventilated and on intravenous full-spread antibiotics within the space of six hours.  I was told after recovery thaton;y a couple of hours more would have seen me in irrecoverable toxic shock.

N V Brooks ● 106d

The biggest problem of all is people not talking enough about death.  It will eventually come to us all.Mouth care is very important when dying.  You may not be able to eat but you can become very thirsty and your mouth and lips dry and uncomfortable and will eventually become unable to drink.  It is the same when you come out from an operation and you desperately want a drink and your lips are dry but aren't allowed a drink BUT you can be given a sort of wet sponge on a stick (can't remember what they are called - possibly lollipops?) to suck and lipsalve is invaluable as otherwise you may get sore lips.I've always felt that everyone in hospital needs a friend - better still a relative.  It can be easy to lose touch with what is happening outside/inside hospital if you are medicated and can't use your mobile and it may be difficult for non-relatives to find out any info. You may need someone to speak and act on your behalf.  A busy hospital is unlikely to want masses of different people phoning up for information - so make arrangements between yourselves. I think Bernard is right about considering taking out a Lasting Power of Attorney and I think he means if you have any surviving relatives.You need more than just painkillers to be made comfortable.Please make sure your loved one is given mouth care.https://www.rcn.org.uk/news-and-events/Blogs/mouth-care-at-end-of-life-130723

Philippa Bond ● 106d

JaniceIf a patient refuses an operation if its not life threatening has to be aware of the repercussions of their actions later on in life. If the decision was made by relatives under a Lasting Power of attorney it should have been discussed between all parties involved.But any medication for their original condition should be still given to them. But it maybe revised because as there's a possibility that their condition could get worse.Janice I must stress that I am NOT a medical person, but unfortunately I have been involved with a few people with long term illness and witnessed the good and the bad in the NHS service, their procedures, and what you can expect from them, over three decades. Sadly all of them passed away and the world lost some loving, kind, generous people

Bernard Allen ● 106d

Im not sure. "shes been denied nutrition for 47 days" Mmm,sounds horrible but is that down to the strike then. Im not sure a patient is denied something they need Mind you,ive not looked into this but since Anna is behind this story,i think il give it a miss and go an shoe shine my shoes.

Julian Pavey ● 106d

It's important the patient can explain exactly what they want then JulIan.

Janice Evans ● 106d

Sepsis kills 48,000 people each year and on the increase, probably as a result of not giving anti biopics when necessary.

Janice Evans ● 106d

Murder or Manslaughter,no Homicide this side of the pond

Julian Pavey ● 106d

If a patient states that they don't want any surgery for an illness that is not life threatening is all other treatment withdrawn ?

Janice Evans ● 106d

Alan D. Miller is protesting about the attempt to end the life of an elderly woman at University College Hospital London;KateShemirani  posted on TWITTEREnd Of Life Protocol... Posted by:Anna Kirkpatrick.I hope that between the three posters involved in this subject have their facts absolutely correct.My own experience of end of life care is so much different to the one posted on the this forum.Yes mistakes are made and sometimes protocol isn't strictly adhered to.Allegedly, at some hospitals where an elderly patient is admitted with a serous life threatening condition, the consultant in charge will add a DNA or DNACPR without much consultation with the relatives involved if they have any.The medical staff base their decision on if CPR will do more harm than good.  That's why older people should take out a Lasting Power of Attorney if they have any serving relatives, this means they can intervene and discuss with the medical staff the best way forward, in other words, looking after the patient's interest.  But if you haven't got any relatives or friends to take up this role, then you are in the hands of the medical profession.End of life care can be carried out in hospital, but by the appropriate medical staff who are trained to Carry out the appropriate  procedures. There primary goal is to make sure the patent is as comfortable as possible.and as pain free as possible. They are kept clean and washed daily, the patient may refuse to take their drugs that have been prescribe for them in the past, the staff just don't give them, as it would mean forcing them to take them which, distresses the patient even more. later the patient may refuse to eat but drink instead, then in the later stages everything is refused by the patient and they are kept as comfortable and pain free to the end.Its a similar process at home as well, being attended to by carers and end of life trained medical staff every day to the end.Well that's how its meant to be done

Bernard Allen ● 106d

KateShemirani  TWITTER THE NATIONAL HOMICIDE SERVICE AND THEIR CLOAKED STATEMENTS;WE ARE JUST GOING TO MAKE YOUR LOVED ONE COMFORTABLE..ITS KINDER, THEY WOULDNT WANT TO BE THIS WAYWE CANT RESUSCITATE YOU , IT WOULD BREAK YOUR RIBS..If you hear any of the above - run for the hills...

Anna Kirkpatrick ● 106d