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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2023/09/04/brighton-hove-green-party-rewilding-eco-policy-dump-weeds/Borage, yarrow, knotgrass and ribwort; for the enthusiastic forager there are herbs enough to fill an apothecary’s cabinet. This is no countryside hedgerow, however, but rather the pavement outside a £1.5 million house in Hove.Five-foot tall horseweed growing up between the cracks in the paving slabs has become a familiar sight for the residents of Brighton and Hove. On some streets a tapestry of grass has formed that makes it impossible to walk in a straight-line down the hilly streets. It is a verdant sight, but not, however, a welcome one for residents. “My mother is 89 and if she’s walking around on these pavements, she can’t do it,” says one local who preferred not to be named. “I worry about her falling all the time.”For the past four years nature has been left to its own devices after the then Green Party-led council in 2019 banned toxic weed killers that include chemicals such as glyphosate following a petition from residents.Glyphosate, best known as the active ingredient in the weed killer Roundup, has been the subject of many studies and legal challenges regarding its potential to cause cancer, specifically non-Hodgkin lymphoma.Every week Ivan Lyons receives emails from residents with photos and stories about how the weeds outside their homes have become a blightRewilding in order to promote greater biodiversity has been championed by the nearby Knepp Estate 20 miles away, where Isabella Tree has transformed a struggling farm into a wildlife haven – and inspired thousands of landowners, large and small, to rewild.But the trend for leaving nature to its own devices in order to create a habitat for plants and animals to thrive has become divisive – its critics include the RHS and garden presenter Alan Titchmarsh who, in a letter to the House of Lords, described the rewilding craze as an “ill-considered trend” loaded with “misleading propaganda” that will “deplete our gardens of their botanical riches” and be “catastrophic” for wildlife.While many of Brighton & Hove’s residents support the reduction in use of herbicides, they are unimpressed with the failure to provide another solution. Having been left to navigate weed-choked pavements, there is scepticism amongst locals as to whether the policy was intended to be environmentally friendly or part of a cost saving measure by the council as it cuts back on services.“The previously Green council was very receptive to listening to people who didn’t want to cut lawns and verges,” says Ivan Lyons, Conservative councillor for Westdene and Hove Park. “But it was also about saving money as well. Councils are a bit strapped for cash. So they basically didn’t cut anything for a couple of years.” Each week he receives emails from residents with photos and stories about how the weeds outside their homes have become a blight. Ruth White’s 86-year-old father-in-law Norman experienced a bad fall last year after tripping over weeds near his home. At the time they reported the accident to the Green led council who said they bore no responsibility. Lesley Fallowfield, a professor at Brighton & Sussex Medical School, ended up in A&E after tripping on weeds outside the home she has lived in for 30 years. She spent six weeks wearing an orthopaedic boot and crutches.“I think that the council’s neglecting to maintain our pavements and verges are using ‘being eco-friendly’ as a disguise for saving money but savings on things like this just result in other costs to the hard-pressed NHS through treatment of trips and falls,” she says.There has also been a spike in vet visits in the area, with dog owners reporting that grass seed has become stuck in their pet’s ears and paws. And driving in the area has become difficult as the size of verges often makes it difficult to see around corners.Lyons has run 257 marathons to date, but says that he would never train on the streets around his home out of fear of falling. As a result of the reports of accidents he says the Green council then decided to employ some people to pull out the weeds. “It’s laughable. There’s more pavements and roads from here to the top of Scotland and a handful of people maintaining them.”So many locals have taken matters into their own hands, including Ruth White who now weeds the pavements herself. However, there is a concern that some residents are using the very insecticides that the Green Party was trying to curb the use of.It isn’t the service expected by those living in one of the highest council tax areas in the country. “We’re paying around £3k a year for council tax and you wonder what you’re getting for it,” says one resident. “I asked for our road to be done and they did turn up about a year later. But by that time I’d had to do it myself for safety reasons.”In the May local elections the Green party lost to Labour. “Getting weeds back under control in Brighton & Hove is a top priority for our new Labour administration,” Labour councillor Tim Rowkins told The Telegraph.The ban on glyphosate in 2019 emerged from a cross party consensus when the Council was under no overall political control. “While well-intentioned – to reduce the use of chemicals and enhance biodiversity – there was no proper contingency plan, and the issue has simply not been treated as a priority since,” he says.The Labour-led council are now trialling new methods and machinery including mechanical sweepers, weed rippers and specialist strimmers, and looking at a hot water removal system from Finland not currently being used in the UK. “We are currently working on a new weed management policy with a view to deploying resources much more effectively, as well as identifying any additional needs and preventative measures we can take early in the spring when weeds take root,” adds Rowkins. “Our priority is to ensure our streets, pavements and environment are safe and accessible for residents and to limit damage to highway infrastructure, while also welcoming the net gains for biodiversity that come from a reduction in the use of herbicides.” However, not enough is being done, says Lyons. “They’re following the previous council’s policy of no cutting of verges between April and September and operating a traffic light system. So if something is flagged red they will go out and clear the weeds up, but if it’s yellow or green then they won’t.”Some residents worry about the damage as a result of a policy of neglect. “After three years of nothing being done, the curbs are starting to lift from large roots of trees that haven’t been pollarded. And the pavement is more uneven,” said one. “If they’ve been trying to save money then it’s a false saving in the long run. It’s going to cost them a fortune to put it right.”With street drains also overgrown another resident adds: “This isn’t about rewilding, but laziness.” While Lyons says the situation has improved since the Greens were voted out, he says: “It’s gone from awful to shoddy. There’s still work to be done. “Brighton has always had a bit of an edgy place, if you think back to the mods and the rockers. But now when people visit it just looks like a dump.”

Michael Good ● 614d

The old info from Councils to not put greenery in your black bin came about because Councils had been told that they were not obliged to provide a free garden waste collection as part of of their responsibilities for Household Waste and it was considered by Govt and their Consultants as a good way of introducing a paid for service and reducing the cost of the state - a good way to reduce Councils' costs - and consequently Govt contributions to Councils.  Free garden waste collections was very great way to increase 'recycling'  in Council Recycling League Tables and reducing the amount of waste sent to landfill or incineration with the accompanying gate fees (set to rise year on year in the case of landfill).The Consultants later admitted that they had not considered all the unintended consequences of this.  Moving to a free collection of garden waste not only increased 'recycling' rates but meant many who composted their waste and added it to the soil in their gardens no longer bothered to (adding compost is not just good for the soil but increases its uptake of water ie reduces runoff).  Then when charges were brought in for garden waste there were huge objections across the country and there was an even greater incentive to pave over gardens totally instead of just laying a couple of rows of bricks in the ground under for the wheels of a car to run.  The result was even more hard and impermeable surfacing despite what Building Regulations say. This unfortunately also added to the amount of illegal dumping of garden waste - as did the fact that waste somewhere along the line had been separated into Business and Household - Household being part of your Council Tax and Business not - so it's disposal had to be paid for at the Household Waste & Recycling Centre (if and when allowed). 

Philippa Bond ● 620d

I don't think you can extrapolate that what works in a garden is feasible if managing thousands of acres of land and miles of pavement and road.In view of the amount of Glyhosate used in agriculture, it isn't surprising that it is found in urine. Generally though, substances found in urine, being those that pass through the body, are low risk.The plant ragwort, which flowers late summer, with pretty yellow flowers and is the preferred food of the cinnamon  moth caterpillar contains pyrrolizidine alkaloids. These do not flush through the body, they persist and can build into highly toxic levels. If working in an area with Ragwort a COSHH (control of substances hazardous to health) assessment should be done. Ragworth shouldn't be pulled by hand unless wearing gloves, the toxin is absorbed through skin. Ragwort is particularly dangerous to horses and cattle if they eat it. They tend not to as it tastes bitter, but will eat wilted or cut pieces that have dried out. Apple seeds contain substances that the body metabolises into cyanide. Fortunately cyanide is flushed through the body and you'd have to 150 apples worth of seeds in one go and crush the seeds in your mouth to be at risk of poisoning.Many aspects of industrial agriculture are a problem, detroying bio diversity and polluting rivers. That should change, but banning Glyphosate and allowing roads and paths to become overgrown seems unjustified.I imagine this will go one of two ways. Councils will review the ban if they get sued by people falling over. Or, they won't review and as some of the weeds are perennials or trees that grow bigger over time,the problem will get worse, as pavements are lifted and surfaces broken up.

Kathleen Healy ● 622d

You may be deaf to warnings but many aren't. Most have been warned about addiction which is a lot harder to deal with and know that generally a little in moderation kept to is most often key.  Glysophate-wise I would consider that to be where other methods don't work.Glysophate was approved for five years before the last time it was reassessed and only just approved for one year.  It takes a large group to work on all the submissions for that particular chemical. It is obviously big money for a big company and they also apparently also have over 50,000 lawsuits. We already have glyphosate in our urine.  Just because something is easier does not mean that it is the right thing to do.  I have spent years cutting back and digging out brambles and other impenetrable overgrown plants in areas but I wouldn't dream of just nuking them all with a weedkiller just because it was easier.  We always used a knife to cut the dandelions out of paving even though we loved them but because of that we left them growing elsewhere.  They are one of the earliest flowers that bees love.  Just because something looks 'scruffy and not aesthetic' is definitely not a good enough reason and providing a path that a mower can roll over would probably better be a better option as a path for that Guardian photo.  The taller plants could probably be tugged out without bending over.  There are ways to keep fit with exercise classes, swimming and ankle exercises and making sure you wear suitable shoes for the terrain and not like the high heels I've seen worn in the street in icy weather! This Govt does not believe in the nanny state so services have been desperately cut but unfortunately they still haven't as promised dealt with social care so if you don't like those plants that grow where you don't want them you may have to organise some hoeing.  It's actually a very no-weedkiller no-electricity no-petrol much quieter and successful way to remove unwanted plants.  Calling them 'weeds' is just pure racism! https://www.pan-europe.info/blog/belgian-organisations-call-glyphosate-ban    23 August 2023 

Philippa Bond ● 623d

There are well known carcinogens that doctors warn about; alcohol, being overweight. We assess risk in a cost / benfits way. We know alcohol and being overweight increase our risk of cancer, but we enjoy a drink. So we are deaf to the warnings from authoritative sources.Many people who want Glyposate banned see no value or benefit in it. At least not until the problem with weeds growing through paths and roads became apparent. Banning or calling for it to be banned feels like doing good and and costs little or nothing.Farmers and people managing large areas of land want to use it. I was at Windsor Great Park yesterday and saw yellow grass and weeds along some paths. Looked very like Glyphosate, leaves yellow, not burnt. I think the National Trust still uses Glyphosate. There is an integrated weed management approach now, which is what I imagine Windsor Great Park and the National Trust use. That doesn't use Glyphosate where there is an alternative method, but uses it where there isn't. Keeping paths, roads and other sufaces clear, managing invasive species such as Knotweed. Maybe managing out large areas of Foxtail.Foxtail is an annual, but is cleverly adapted to grow back faster than anything else after mowing and to produce its seed heads at ground level if it is cut. It is easy to spot on a mown area as it sticks out amongst everything else.Banning Glyphosate use in agriculture would impact costs and yields and inevitably the price of food. There isn't the same clamour to ban Glyposares use in agriculture although that is where the vast amount of it is used. The goverments advisor on Health & Safety says Glyphosate does not damage the Health of people or animals. The judge in the most recent case in the US concluded the same. The EU has concluded that it is safe and extended its license.Would people want to see Glyphosate banned from agricultural use, that is how peropel are most likely to be exposed to it and where the vast majority of it is used. It would lower yields and increase costs, so inevitably raise food prices.

Kathleen Healy ● 623d

It isn't that it is just one legal case - there are many many of them.  Years of them and they still continue.  It can take many years for the problems to be just attributed to a source eg chemicals and tobacco and asbestos.  It is not enough for any of these to just fit the 'currently not banned' box.We have been talking about no dig for years but just mention it and many will decide to do that without ever learning which plants are problematic and which are not.  Regularly close mowing of large areas of grass kills many plants without the need for weedkiller.  The yellow buttercups and chickweed with its beautiful blue flowers were a beautiful sight when some grass was allowed to grow just a bit longer and the bees loved them.  But there are more than just the obvious insects.  It isn't just bees that pollinate plants. Last week for the first time in ten years or so I saw a grasshopper and a shield beetle - and that wasn't in London.  There are just so many fewer insects.  Compost made using cuttings from grass that has unbeknown to you been treated with weedkiller can cause any vegetable plants and vegetables you grow to be deformed and the same with manure.  I'm aware that you done wonderful things with Dukes Meadows and the stresses on the Council (like all Councils in the current political climate) to create more income for other services are sure to have made that even harder.  I do hope that you will find the steady stream of volunteers you need as I understand much depends on them and will try to keep the use of these chemicals to an absolute minimum.Councils with their outsourcing contracts need to mske sure ghst yhere is plenty of oversight on contracts as fo their contractors.  You cannot however expect the growth of plants and trees to fit the designsted boxed on spreadsheets either.  Thunderstorms just like yesterday's don't drop rain on all streets on the same day!

Philippa Bond ● 623d

The EU never said that Glyphosate would be banned.It reviews and extends the license. After 50 years of use there is no evidence that Glyohosate is harmful to people or animals.The much publicised case in the US was about the negligence of a school in not providing PPE to a caretaker who regularly used it. Bayer won its 4th case in the US in June last year . The judge said ""consistent with the assessments of expert regulators worldwide as well as the overwhelming evidence from four decades of scientific studies concluding that Roundup can be used safely and is not carcinogenic"At Dukes Meaows over 20 years, we've planted many trees, hedgerows and meadow areas. This year we worked with GS360 to leave a large section of the feld beside the play areas unmown. We didnt know what would come up and have been pleased to see a good mix of grasses, achillea and plantain. There are great opportunities to enhance bio doversity by changing how public spaces are managed. Letting weeds grow through pavements and road verges will do little for bio diversirty, make areas look scruffy and create trip hazards.Recent research has shown that digging into soil destroys its structure and is bad for soil health. There is a move towards no dig gardening and no till farming. If you aren't going to dig out perenial weeds, you need to use herbicide. It is better to do that for soil health.Now that we can't use glyphosate we have to dig out the grass around new trees. Leaving the grass makes the trees more vulubnerable to drought and reduces growth. Summers are getting dryer and the ground around here is sandy soil over gravel and dries out quickly, the site is exposed to wind which also dries out trees.  This year we had to dig the grass from around a beech we planted two years ago. On digging the grass out, some of the roots near the surface were cut through and damaged. It would have been better for the health of the tree to have sprayed the grass off around it with Glyohosate. It would also have been quicker. That's what we used to do and the trees did better.The long grass experiment, with paths cut through has been succesful but we have a problem with Foxtail grass. It is coming up in large patches. The seeds can get stuck in dogs paws and fur and cause infection. If dogs inghale the seeds it can cause death. What do we do? If dogs get infections or die, there wil be a big push back against leaving areas in parks unmown, which would be a sad loss of a good opportunity to increase biodiversity. We don't hav the resources to remove it all by hand and I doubt the council does.The natural environment is struggling and needs help. It needs thoughtful, informed help.

Kathleen Healy ● 623d

Walking along the streets in recent weeks it is not the odd greenery and flowering wild flowers that are the greatest trip hazards at all.The pavements are jam packed full of covers for all sorts of services for the homes and offices many of which are not flush with the paving stones and some are not closed and even broken and may never be - certainly if residents to whom those services run don't even bother to report problems to Councils and Fix My Street etc.  Councils struggle most of all with keeping tree roots under and often use asphalt and permeable resin bonded aggregate when paving has been lifted.  Paving stones badly laid and relaid or crushed particularly as a result of building works and not made good is also a problem as is delivery lorries, skip lorries, scaffolding lorries, waste collection lorries and just cars being driven over them and dislodging paving stones.Re Glyphosate and the EU - I reiterate it only JUST got through the vote - in fact it was actually due to be banned and instead was just extended for another year.  No doubt because of the difficulties banning it would cause to a lot of  big agricultural industry.  Pavements are public areas.  There are scientists discovering more about the drastic loss of insects we are experiencing and how they are being affected by so much spraying.  Why not read some of those articles?Maui recently in the news for fires was in international news before because of the fall out following field trials by Monsanto.  There are still legal cases outstanding.  Price and value are not the same thing.

Philippa Bond ● 623d

Well I thought it was yet another reference to the lack of picking up by owners of their dogs' mess although I know it has another meaning.  BTW:  There are people in Putney who feel exactly the same about Putney or maybe it is just about their Council - but I suspect a lot of it is just political - so presumably they are not happy with the national party as well as their local council - and the state of the world.Margaret Thatcher complained about the nanny state and was in favour of pushing back the state and like it or not we now have neo-liberals holding those purse-strings.Here right now we are in a climate emergency with a tremendous loss of the insects which are necessary for the pollination of plants.Remember all those insects that used to get stuck to the bonnet of a car or a windscreen after a long drive?  It isn't just altered  designs that has changed that. https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/insect-pollination.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjaibg5rzgAMVQ9XtCh2WyQuBEAAYAiAAEgJ3ZvD_BwEhttps://www.buglife.org.uk/campaigns/no-insectinction/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjaibg5rzgAMVQ9XtCh2WyQuBEAAYASAAEgLzy_D_BwEPerhaps you should read through all the Councils who have reduced their use.https://www.pan-uk.org/pesticide-free-towns-success-stories/#:~:text=Bath%20and%20North%20East%20Somerset,weeds%20in%20the%20Council%20area.Haven't we learnt ANYTHING since DDT and other chemical scandals for us to be a lot more cautious?"Hey Farmer Farmer put away that DDT now Give me spots on my apples but leave me the birds and the bees..."We should ALL know better and especially now that there is a climate crisis.Not ALL plants are extremely invasive and need the use of a herbicide like Glyphosate which has only just escaped from being from banned several times and which is considered by many scientists to be dangerous to not just insects but humans and over which there have been and still are many law suits. https://usrtk.org/pesticides/glyphosate-health-concerns/You should really read all the info about this yourselves and stop pushing for easy options - and also keep in mind other controversial chemicals.  Should any intervention using this be REALLY necessary it should be by knowledgeable, trained people using the protections and following the instructions closely and knowing the full history.

Philippa Bond ● 626d