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Sainsbury's recycling containers

Anybody knows what's going on with the recycling containers at the Sainsbury's? They look like in a state of abandon with trash everywhere around the containers and families of foxes living there at night...

J Bensoussan ● 607d44 Comments

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Philippa Bond ● 534d

That's a good one.

Janice Evans ● 534d

A favourite poem from my teenage years:There are fascists pretending to be humanitarians, like cannibals on a health kick, eating only vegetarians.  Roger McGough

Philippa Bond ● 534d

Unless they are vegetarian.

Janice Evans ● 534d

Maggie Dodge explained " You could start a business, fishermen love maggots "Which saves them having to bring sandwiches, for one thing.michael adams

Michael Adams ● 534d

So say you, again and again

Peter King ● 534d

You are wrong.

Philippa Bond ● 534d

Change Phillipa, is that what you call a local Council selling off a recycling centre, when what happened at Sainsbury's is proof of how much it was needed.  Change should be for the better, selling off an amenity is not change Phillipa.

Maggie Dodge ● 534d

There are also companies that collect but you've proved that you are not interested because you just keep on complaining about change.  It has happened all over the country.  You don't have to just use Ealing's recycling centre and it is not because they are other Labour boroughs (they are NOT).  Here it is because the London's boroughs are now grouped into Waste Authorities - and ours is the West London Waste Authority - and they make arrangements with each other.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waste_disposal_authorities_in_London

Philippa Bond ● 534d

Well said Maggie, don't listen to Saint Phillipa. Just one recycling centre in Ealing is a Socialist joke as is saying that people should drive sometimes twice the distance to use the facilities in other Labour boroughs.

Peter King ● 534d

And you manage that diatribe from my two line posting the obvious. From the lady who posts on every thread whether she has anything of any value to add, I can’t take you seriously.

Maggie Dodge ● 534d

Maggie  You are the biggest complainant of them all.  Why? What is so different about you?  There are now food waste collections from flats in LBH and in LBE and if you don't have them you should be asking the Council for them - and so much more recycling can be collected kerbside than used to be. I've detailed elsewhere on this thread all the other local household waste and recycling centres you can use.There is info on www.ealing.gov.uk and www.hounslow.gov.uk where you can check whether you are up to date on what can be recycled and how it should be presented.  https://actforealing.org/re-use-and-recycling/  has more info on what is going on in Ealing

Philippa Bond ● 535d

Shame Ealing  sold off the recycling centre. Now we have lost another option

Maggie Dodge ● 535d

It's good to see that flats are now getting/have now got food recycling.I agree with you Janice.  Always rinse out the FWB and wrap anything particularly smelly in newspaper eg fish and meat especially when the weather is warm so as not to attract flies and keep food covered and bin closed.

Philippa Bond ● 535d

If food is wrapped in newspaper and put inside eco bag there will be no smell or maggots, the bin will stay clean although I still rinse it out and leave to dry after every collection.

Janice Evans ● 535d

True?

Jim Lawes ● 536d

You could start a business, fishermen love maggots

Maggie Dodge ● 576d

You just have to get into a clean food waste bin fast so that there is no time for flies to land on it.  Keeping the food waste in the cool too rather than the sun slows down the rate of rotting of any food.  You can also wrap in newspaper or one of the compostable bags that are available.Birds would love your maggots!

Philippa Bond ● 577d

We turned against our food caddy when it first came out because it filled with maggots.  I guess we should have been thankful as maggots might provide a valuable source of protein in these difficult times.  Maybe we should have taken them to the local maggot bank!

Peter Evans ● 577d

You've reminded me I complained to the Council when I was told to put the cardboard at Stirling Road into the compactor because they didn't have any skip for it at that time.  They did then get one.There is still a problem in that although so much cardboard packaging has now been designed to collapse particularly big boxes where all you have to do is strip the piece of tape off the bottom so that they can be easily flattened for transport and recycling there are still people who do not even try.  What has happened to spatial awareness?At Stirling Road last time I went there were still people who turned up with unflattened boxes with polystyrene packaging (lumps not peanuts) inside which they thought they could get rid of together.  If you get a large item eg fridge delivered it can be better if possible to get them to also unpack, set up and take the packaging away. Otherwise you have to bin the polystyrene.Not sure about that chicken carcase on the fire it would remind me of the times before I used a slow cooker and the smell when allowed the chicken stock I was making to boil dry!  The food waste bin is good for all that now and keeps the non-recycling bin dry and smell-free!

Philippa Bond ● 577d

From my childhood recollections, most waste at home went on the fire.  Rolled up newspaper to get things started - and how the flames from a chicken carcass brightened the room!  Next morning just a few shovels of ash went in the bin. Those were the days! More recently, communal incinerators seemed to be the answer, consuming almost everything and producing useful heat for district systems, but it didn't take long for pressure groups to start complaining about them. As for the topic, it shouldn't be up to Sainsburys to provide this kind of facility, which ends up being abused. Ealing will take as much recycling as you care to put outside your house, so I can't image where all that dumped cardboard comes from. Cut your energy bills and put it on the fire!

Peter Evans ● 577d

It seems to me that some people want things too easy.  You have a kerbside recycling collection don't you?  Have you checked recently to see if you are making the most of that for your Council Tax?  Why on earth do you think you need to visit it so often?  Anyway we have several waste and recycling centres we can use - just not the one that you want to use and btw which was my local which I used to use but only occasionally.  I used to use it more when we could recycle less kerbside eg there was no cardboard collection and no plastic food tubs and pots collection.  Have you actually looked at the websites for the other ones you can use? There are usually alternatives.  You use other neighbourhood websites and I was looking at www.trashnothing.com this morning and there are all sorts of things on there.  I noticed that someone had managed to shift a couple of bags of plastic pots for instance.  What about social care - don't you think that that is far more important for Councils to deal with?  Care for those unable to care for themselves?  Education?  We've already lost so much due to Govt cuts to the amount they give Councils.

Philippa Bond ● 577d

What I have grasped Philippa is that a waste and recycling centre is a basic, necessary,  amenity . As I think the overflowing Sainsbury’s recycling bins prove I also grasp that we are encouraged to recycle rather than bin things. We’re also encouraged to reduce our mileage , but are then told instead of driving  two minutes away, they suggest we drive much further. I think you should stop defending the indefensible.  Councils  have completely forgotten their role in the general community, which we pay them for.

Maggie Dodge ● 577d

Times have changed and so has waste.  We used to have a metal bin and all our waste fitted into it.  We used to live according to our means and not on credit and so we were more thoughtful a lot of the time about what we bought.  There was also less packaging of any kind and amount and our purchases didn't come from so far away with little thought given to how it would be disposed of. There was also a smaller population.You don't seem to have grasped how much influence Govt has over Councils.In order to reduce the cost of the disposal and the lack ways to dispose of our waste (now separated so that as much as possible can be reused rather than our precious earth's resources being lost forever) Councils are now grouped together into Waste Authorities so that they can share a lot of facilities and try to create as little waste as possible by recycling and reusing whatever more complicated REDUCED waste people now have.  The easy to separate and sell on/dispose of (it isn't all profit-making) is collected in our KERBSIDE collections which most people now have.  (Anyone who hasn't should get together with people in a similar position and ask your Councillors and the Council about it.)Ealing and Hounslow are grouped together together with Brent and Richmond upon Thames together with some others but there are definitely some reciprocal arrangements between these four. Check out the individual websites for their facilities and requirements. Check out the West London Waste Authority website: https://westlondonwaste.gov.uk/As to your question about the Sainsbury's recycling area:I expect they thought that Sainsbury's would close it down if it was abused just as many of (if not all of) the other outdoor supermarket recycling areas seem to have already been.  I wrote this in my first reply and so has Jim Lawes.  Abuse It and you'll Lose It. 

Philippa Bond ● 577d

Assumptions Philippa .  There was no excuse for leaving us with nothing locally. Except for greed . We were told by Julian Bell that we had the option of going just a couple of minutes up the road to Park Royal . Another cycling fanatic talking nonsense.and presumably no idea where Stirling Road was. Now the Sainsbury’s  site  is completely unsupervised. What did they think people would do ?

Maggie Dodge ● 577d

I think that one of the biggest troubles with Acton Reuse & Recycling Household Recycling Centre was that an awful lot of the stuff being taken there was business waste which is chargeable and which they did not have the facilities to weigh there.The biggest problem is that people don't pay attention to what they can recycle in the recycling banks - just as many do not pay attention to what they can recycle kerbside - and what can be recycled elsewhere.I'm also sure that I read recently that Sainsbury's have been reassessing and reconfiguring their property portfolio.

Philippa Bond ● 578d

Well the selling off of a proper Council  recycling centre is a huge loss. There were people there watching what people did and giving guidance. Very different  naturally, to Sainsburys.

Maggie Dodge ● 578d

People don't use them properly.  They think it's OK to dump anything they like

Juliet Hogg ● 578d

Nope, otherwise bricks and mortar wouldn’t still be opening. Numbers at Morrisons and Lidl in Acton compared to pre FL closure speak volumes. Perhaps Ealing council have shares in Morrisons!

Mark Talbot ● 579d

Nothing to do with the huge increase in online shopping then?

Philippa Bond ● 579d

Yes someone falsely claimed I wanted FL open because it was my route to Sainsburys. Quite bizarre claim and totally false.

Maggie Dodge ● 579d

Why should Sainsburys bother to support their local community in Chiswick now when clearly half their catchment has been cut off by Fishers Lane closure? Their half empty car park and shop is clear indication that what was once one of their best stores in the UK, illustrated by the record supermarket rent set there a few years ago is now in total decline due to a few cyclists getting their way at the expense of the silent majority whom get bullied by a few the moment they raise their head above the parapet. Cue Paul Campbell #noisyminority

Mark Talbot ● 580d

If this "gang" is misbehaving in some way, have you reported them to the Big Issue's publishers ?

Richard Greenhough ● 582d

Clue is in the 'gang' having witnessed their operation and so a moot comment re: Prince of Wales.

Matthew Acton ● 582d

Are you opposed to Big Issue sellers generally, or just this particular "gang" ? I recall the new Prince of Wales was photographed selling the Big Issue a few months ago.

Richard Greenhough ● 582d

Don't disagree with the sentiment expressed (are S'bury staff responsible? If so - they should outsource to someone who can properly police / issue fines as applicable) Both store and surrounds are in terminal decline and have been for many months. The gang selling the 'Big Issue' by the car park are the icing on the cake.

Matthew Acton ● 582d

The sight of the recycling area is a disgrace. Don't blame Sainsburys..its due to complete disrespect for the facility by users...whether they be local residents or certain traders.I would not be surprised if the Recycling Bins were removed for good.. so that Sainsburys staff can get on with their main tasks without having to clear up the mess every day/morning.The big Tesco Store at Osterley had been fed up with the way their expensive facility was used.so they withdrew it.Morrisons in Brentford closed their's too.(check Google: The Brentford Flytipper)Then Homebase at Gillette Corner closed their for the same reason.90% of users use these facilities with respect. It's just the 10% of scallywags living amongst us that ruin things for the majority.Bins will be contaminated with the wrong material.. and spoil the intention. Many can't be bothered to collapse cardboard boxes.. probably some with Polystyrene  still inside... let alone expecting certain people to remove any adhesive tape.We're into a new era. It's about time  some people pulled their socks up.

Jim Lawes ● 582d

I was in the Richmond/Sheen? store yesterday and they too have lights on in the car park. Not as bad as Chiswick but an affront to their virtue signalling advertising about saving the planet.

Peter King ● 601d

That's disappointing but they've probably been changed to LEDs already so not as big a problem as otherwise.  Perhaps more customers should complain.

Philippa Bond ● 601d

I did write to them at head office and didn't get a reply! The lights were still on in the car park this afternoon when I went through. With regards to your 'smelling the bread', difficult when the bakery is the farthest away from the entrances they can be!

Peter King ● 602d

Their lights may well be on a timer and there has been a power cut which has upset it.  I've seen that happen elsewhere and had to wait for a regular visit by the electrician to fix it. Mentioning that to them may make them take speedier action.

Philippa Bond ● 604d

PeterLights on during daytime and uncollected recycling containers I'd consider to be management.The regular moving around of products however tends to be marketing.  There is a a whole world of marketing ploys to get you to buy different items in a store.  Did you know that companies can pay higher rates to have their products placed in particular places eg eye-level or end of aisle?  You will probably find that essentials like milk bread and eggs are in three completely different directions so that you have to traverse the whole of the store and (hopefully from their perspective) will be tempted to see and smell (newly baked bread and croissants) other items along the way.

Philippa Bond ● 605d

I'd suggest that its a sign of a lax regime at the Chiswick store. Their advertising in store and in the media emphasises their green credentials but count the big lamp columns left on in the car park in glorious sunny weather and also under the covered walkways. I can't be the only shopper of theirs who finds the regular moving around of the products annoying either!

Peter King ● 605d

Have you actually asked at Sainsbury's?  Perhaps there has been a sudden increase as people (particularly in flats with little space) made use of the containers to clear whatever recycling they had before they went on holiday.  Or maybe there has been a problem with getting the containers emptied (Covid and lack of HGV drivers can affect collections).https://help.sainsburys.co.uk/help/terms-and-conditions/phc-recyclingPlease take note that leaving recycling on the ground is considered as flytipping for which you can be heavily fined.This can be a real inconvenience if you have walked and have to walk back home with your recycling or you are dropping off recycling on the way to work or shop. Have you contacted the Council regarding the recycling facilities where you live? You can contact your Councillors for help with this.www.ealing.gov.uk  and  www.hounslow.gov.uk are the two local Councils. You should be able to use the Search facility to find your Councillors if you don't already know who they are.Some supermarkets and large stores have removed their recycling containers because they have been abused by the public.  It would be a great shame to lose any extra facilities.   

Philippa Bond ● 606d