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yEaH OpeN tHEm ALL:Homefields WardStamford Brook Avenue / Goldhawk RoadPrebend Gardens one way schemeBritish Grove one way scheme and junction with A4Netheravon Road and A4Airedale Avenue and A4 Chiswick Mall one way and modal filter with contraflow cycle laneBeverley Road / Chiswick LanePumping Station Road / Chiswick Mall -  modal filter for cyclingCranbrook Road one way schemeBrackley Road one way schemeAnnandale Road one way schemeSwanscombe Road one way schemeIngress St one way schemeDevonshire Road one way schemeCleveland Ave and Merton Ave one way schemeFlanders Road / Welstead Way modal filterCorney Road modal filterGrantham Road modal filterPaxton Road one way schemeThornton Avenue - modal filter at TGTTurnham Green WardChiswick Common Road - modal filter at TGTLinden Gardens one way schemeDolman Rd one way schemeBennett St and A4Park Road North and A4Chiswick Road one way scheme and modal filter for cyclingGarth Road and A4Sutton Lane North and Sutton Road North one way scheme and modal filter for cyclingHarvard Road and A4Burlington Gardens one way schemeSilver Crescent and Thorney Hedge Road one way schemePrinces Avenue one way schemeDuke Road closure at A4Town Hall Avenue - one way and pavement build out at southern endBarley Mow Passage - no vehiclesChardin Road - closureHolly Road - closure besides Campbell's Chemist (nominative determinism)Clifton Gardens - one way scheme, no exit to CHRRiverside WardRiverview Grove and Grove Park Terrace modal filterCompton Crescent and Sutton Court modal filterBrooks Lane - school street and modal filterBrooks Lane level crossing closureSpring Grove one way schemeClarence Road no entry from Wellesley RoadHartington Road - permit access onlyStrand on the Green / Thames Road - timed accessStaveley Road - modal filterGrove Park Terrace - school streetHarvard Hill - no exit to A4Southfield WardWoodstock Rd and The Avenue - road closureWadhurst Road and Priory Road - modal filterEvershed Walk and Cleveland Rd - modal filterFishers Lane - bus and cycle route

Paul Campbell ● 1867d

I have explained to you before that many of these changes were to benefit drivers not to make things more difficult and many will never change back, I can explain them all to you one by one if it is easier.  Homefields Ward Stamford Brook Avenue / Goldhawk Road – Dangerous crossroad, poor sightlines. Prebend Gardens one way scheme – Low bridge, poor sightlines. British Grove one way scheme and junction with A4 – Narrow road, never connected to A4. Netheravon Road and A4 - Never connected to A4. Airedale Avenue and A4 - Never connected to A4. Chiswick Mall one way and modal filter with contraflow cycle lane – Not a one way just in case of high tides, there is a no entry as Church Street is too narrow. Beverley Road / Chiswick Lane - Dangerous crossroad, poor sightlines, would need to remove pedestrian crossing. Pumping Station Road / Chiswick Mall -  modal filter for cycling – Never connected, built for pedestrians and cyclist. Cranbrook Road one way scheme – Too narrow. Brackley Road one way scheme – Too narrow. Annandale Road one way scheme – Too narrow. Swanscombe Road one way scheme – Too narrow. Ingress St one way scheme – Too narrow. Devonshire Road one way scheme – Too narrow. Cleveland Ave and Merton Ave one way scheme – Too narrow. Flanders Road / Welstead Way modal filter – Historical boundary, Welstead Way is built on what was once train tracks.  Corney Road modal filter – Dangerous junction, poor sightlines. Grantham Road modal filter - ?????? Paxton Road one way scheme – First one on the list, unlike all the others above reversing the direction would have a negative impact and increase traffic flow. Thornton Avenue - modal filter at TGT - ??? The road is closed at TGT, pedestrians were considered to be more important than cars and bikes. Turnham Green Ward Chiswick Common Road - modal filter at TGT – Too narrow. Linden Gardens one way scheme – Increased parking. Dolman Rd one way scheme – Too narrow. Bennett St and A4 – Used to connect to Hogarth Lane, but has never connected to the A4. Park Road North and A4 – Used to connect to Ellesmere Road, but has never connected to the A4, since the M4 was built. Chiswick Road one way scheme and modal filter for cycling – Too narrow, but the same as Paxton Road if it was reversed it would increase traffic. Garth Road and A4 - Used to connect to Ellesmere Road, but has never connected to the A4. Sutton Lane North and Sutton Road North one way scheme and modal filter for cycling – The Lane is too narrow, where is the Road? Harvard Road and A4 – Number four on the list, put in place to stop cars cutting through. Burlington Gardens one way scheme – Too narrow. Silver Crescent and Thorney Hedge Road one way scheme – Too narrow. Princes Avenue one way scheme – Too narrow. Duke Road closure at A4 – Used to connect to Hogarth Lane, but has never connected to the A4. Town Hall Avenue - one way and pavement build out at southern end – TFL were going to change the direction and make it a bus lane, but when they found out it was going to cost a bit more than a bit of red paint and moving the signs from one end to the other they gave up on that idea. Barley Mow Passage - no vehicles – A service road for deliveries, that cannot be used for deliveries. Chardin Road – closure – Number five on the list. Holly Road - closure besides Campbell's Chemist (nominative determinism) - would create a dangerous junction. Clifton Gardens - one way scheme, no exit to CHR - would create a dangerous junction. Riverside Ward Riverview Grove and Grove Park Terrace modal filter - Dangerous crossroad, poor sightlines. Compton Crescent and Sutton Court modal filter – Private ownership. Brooks Lane - school street and modal filter – The road has only ever existed for the school, I’m surprised it is not part of the school, the same as the end of Duke Road. Brooks Lane level crossing closure – This one has never existed, unlike you to make things up. Spring Grove one way scheme – Too narrow. Clarence Road no entry from Wellesley Road – Dangerous junction. Hartington Road - permit access only – Not required should reopen. Strand on the Green / Thames Road - timed access – Not required should close with junction of the A205 and use the pedestrian area on the river to create a turning circle. Staveley Road – Diversion not required. School street needs to be no-one or everyone and only with Hartington Road reopening to everyone. Grove Park Terrace - school street – Too short to be effective, St Thomas’ Road should remain. Harvard Hill - no exit to A4 – improves journey times for the many using the A4 and inconveniences the few who want to join the A4 from there. Southfield Ward Woodstock Rd and The Avenue - road closure - Dangerous crossroad, poor sightlines. Wadhurst Road and Priory Road - modal filter - Historical boundary, has never connected, but I don’t know why. Evershed Walk and Cleveland Rd - modal filter – Used to be the main road between Chiswick and Acton. The road was closed and Beaconsfield Road was knocked down to make the road wider for cars. Fishers Lane - bus and cycle route – The strangest one on the list, bus AND cycle, if only we had known busses and cycles could share the same space. There would be no need for a cycle lane on the high road, TFL could have just finished the job they started but ran out of money on, bus lanes.

Colin Potter ● 1863d

Most of my mileage around London has been in vans and lorries, the bigger the lorry, the more of London is restricted. Generally it was because of the physical limitations of the roads, rather than they don’t want you to drive that way that the roads were restricted. In recent decades there have been more and more width restrictions and overnight bans to force lorries away from residential areas, unless you include businesses closing or moving because of the road changes, they have never created traffic evaporation, just longer journeys. Car drivers are now experiencing what lorry drivers have had to deal with for decades, partly because of the increase in small vans doing deliveries forcing the need to adapt the road network again. I notice that you picked two of the five restrictions that I thought were primarily to reduce traffic on those roads. There are more than a few that benefit from lower traffic, but that wasn’t the primary reason for the changes. With the exception of Paxton Road and Chiswick Road all of the one ways could be turned the other way without increasing or decreasing the traffic, which is a clue that they help not hinder drivers. The view on all the closures along the A4, depends on whether you live in Chiswick or just drive through Chiswick on the A4. If you live near the A4 clearly if your closest access point is closed it is a disadvantage, but I’d say that even the most recent closure at Harvard Hill is an advantage to drivers. I don’t know how you would do it, but I would guess that if you added up all the time lost diverting to Sutton Court Road and all the time gained on the A4 as it doesn’t slow down for cars trying to join, the total amount of time people are in their cars is going to be less. So us locals lose out, but everyone that drives through gains.

Colin Potter ● 1861d

"even the most recent closure at Harvard Hill is an advantage to drivers... if you added up all the time lost diverting to Sutton Court Road and all the time gained on the A4 as it doesn’t slow down for cars trying to join, the total amount of time people are in their cars is going to be less. So us locals lose out, but everyone that drives through gains."That could be true - I'm sure some studies have been done on traffic flows on this subject.  It is a bit like the counter intuitive argument that the 20mph limit improves traffic flow and reduces overall journey times.You could go further and say that the reduction of thousands of through vehicle movements via Harvard Hill is also of benefit to drivers, particularly local ones.The decreased congestion makes journey times quicker through GP - when I used to live there, Fauconberg was always getting gridlocked with heavy two way traffic in the mornings and it was always a gamble to cut through Elmwood in case you met a bin lorry or delivery van and you could end up reversing some way until there was a space to pull in.  I wonder if there have been any studies on journey times through LTNs and boundary areas to suggest that time lost by diverting is at least partially made up by encountering less traffic within the areas?  Some people (not everyone!) also make the argument that removing congestion from local / minor roads may prompt modal shift towards buses (faster and more reliable), walking and cycling (less dangerous or polluted), thus taking more cars off the roads and reducing congestion which is a benefit to drivers, particularly commercial ones.In fact you could deploy your arguments to suggest that cycling infrastructure like the temporary C9 is also primarily of benefit to drivers.  It could discourage inexperienced cyclists mixing with lorries and encourage people to switch from cars / Ubers to cycling, reducing congestion, or at the very least, prevent it growing as fast.

Ed Saper ● 1861d