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Squirrels go nuts in Chiswick

It has been interesting to catch up with social media having been off line for the last 3 days.On local news ChiswickW4 wrote a good and balanced article yesterday, but it seems have taken on a life of its own on social media, that reinforced why it is good to stay off it.  Distilling the social media, the story seems to run as follows.LCC and friends, representing a tiny portion of society, seem to have gone nuts and been stirring themselves into action and casting dispersions on the wider residents of Chiswick, and rounding up their mates across London.  Apparently a little bit of gossip at the Flower Market yesterday was that someone who didn’t want to be named, "well I don’t want to talk about it" but……..(I really do, and if you push me I will tell) ….."I found some flower heads in the morning that appeared to be cut off……".The assertion is that some anti-cycling and local hoodlums are responsible.  However, no evidence has been provided that the hoodlums are local or anti-cycling.That has not stopped a number of LCC members and friends briefing Brentford TV who have swung into action today and no doubt the Chiswick Calendar will be writing on this soon.  But have they got this wrong?  Are there no hoodlums? Is the answer squirrels?  BBC Gardeners World, the Times and the RHS and many many more say squirrels are, as are potentially other animals or birds in the UK, prone to eating tulip heads and others.https://forum.gardenersworld.com/discussion/955807/beheaded-tulipshttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-godfather-squirrel-and-a-severed-tulip-head-vd09dh03z8whttps://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile?pid=195Interestingly it appears in Toronto Chipmunks can be a problem too.https://www.torontomastergardeners.ca/askagardener/how-do-i-keep-squirrels-chipmunks-from-eating-my-tulip-blooms/And in the USA as the Brookings Institute says "squirrels have taken down the power grid more times than the zero times that hackers have."https://www.treehugger.com/happy-squirrel-appreciation-day-4868817On good authority it appears that even a local gardener has made comment before, at this time of year, that Squirrels are a problem with tulips, even in Chiswick and at this time of year.  It would be interesting to know the experience of that gardener.So what if it was Squirrels and the LCC and friends have got this wrong and embarked on some nutty scheme. Would that not raise some interesting questions about the use of social media in this way, of the authors and associates?

David Riley ● 2003d226 Comments

Darwin thought it was ‘evil’ birds at work. No human vandals suspected“ FOR above twenty years I have observed every spring in my shrubberies and in the neighbouring woods, that a large number of the flowers of the primrose are cut off, and lie strewn on the ground close round the plants. So it is sometimes with the flowers of the cowslip and polyanthus, when they are borne on short stalks. This year the devastation has been greater than ever; and in a little wood not far from my house many hundred flowers have been destroyed, and some clumps have been completely denuded. For reasons presently to be given, I have no doubt that this is done by birds; and as I once saw some green-finches flying away from some primroses, I suspect that this is the enemy. The object of the birds in thus cutting off the flowers long perplexed me. As we have little water hereabouts, I at one time thought that it was done in order to squeeze the juice out of the stalks; but I have since observed that they are as frequently cut during very rainy, as during dry weather. One of my sons then suggested that the object was to get the nectar of the flowers; and I have no doubt that this is the right explanation. On a hasty glance it appears as if the foot-stalk had been cut through; but on close inspection, it will invariably be found that the extreme base of the calyx and the young ovary are left attached to the foot-stalk. And if the cut-off ends of the flowers be examined, it will be seen that they do not fit the narrow cutoff ends of the calyx, which remains attached to the stalk. A piece of the calyx between, one and two-tenths of an inch in length, has generally been cut clean away; and these little bits of the calyx can often be found on the ground; but sometimes they remain hanging by a few fibres to the upper part of the calyx of the detached flowers. Now no animal that I can think of, except a bird, could make two almost parallel clean cuts, transversely across the calyx of a flower. The part which is cut off contains within the narrow tube of the corolla the nectar; and the pressure of the bird's beak would force this out at both the cut-off ends. I have never heard of any bird in Europe feeding on nectar; though there are many that do so in the tropical parts of the New and Old Worlds, and which are believed to aid in the cross-fertilisation of the species. In such cases both the bird and the plant would profit. But with the primrose it is an unmitigated evil, and might well lead to its extermination; for in the wood above alluded to many hundred flowers have been destroyed this season, and cannot produce a single seed. My object in this communication to NATURE is to ask your correspondents in England and abroad to observe whether the primroses there suffer, and to state the result, whether negative or affirmative, adding whether primroses are abundant in each district. I cannot remember having formerly seen anything of the kind in the midland counties of England. If the habit of cutting off the flowers should prove, as seems probable, to be general, we must look at it as inherited or instinctive; for it is unlikely that each bird should have discovered during its individual life-time the exact spot where the nectar lies concealed within the tube of the corolla, and should have learnt to bite off the flowers so skilfully that a minute portion of the calyx is always left attached to the foot-stalk. If, on the other hand, the evil is confined to this part of Kent, it will be a curious case of a new habit or instinct arising in this primrose-decked land.”

Russell Pearson ● 2003d

I am truly appalled by this set of posts showing just the how appallingly social media allows the stupid, friendless, bitter people of the world to rant and be abusive contributing nothing to society. Karen Liebrich seems to me to have contributed more to enlivening life in Chiswick than anyone else, and should have all your gratitude.  Some of you here were simply making bad jokes, but others being openly defamatory, rude and bitterly unpleasant in a way you would never do in person. I know none of you, and hope I never meet you, but can see that Maggie Dodge has never contributed anything positive to Chiswick in any shape or form, and her posts are clearly defamatory ("she had set up a Gofundme page that might get her caught up in a fraud scandal": and her following posts. it can be seen very easily that Liebrich did NOT set up the page and to suggest a Fraud is likely libellous). Lorraine Pemberton also seems to have done nothing positive for her community, just rant, and in this case hurl abuse ("..orchestrated by that duo to sling dirt at One Chiswick - shameful behaviour": again almost certainly a libel). I feel so horrified about your behaviours Lorraine Pemberton (of 263A chiswick High Road) and Maggie Dodge, that I have spent my own money to instruct lawyers about grounds for a legal action, since we need somehow to reign in such behaviours on line, as the owners of this website never claim responsibility. For pity sake, just go and read your posts aloud and ask yourself if you would say this out loud, or be happy having it hurled at you.

Lisa Reynolds ● 2000d

"Ed Saper, do you thinkIt’s acceptable for us to be ruled by cycle zealots?"-------Hi Maggie,I think you believe the council and those who wield power over your life are "cycle zealots" and that accommodating those who cycle with a separate lane or other measures cause you and Chiswick enormous harm.My take is that you are engaged in a mini culture war that is based on conflicting notions of identity - the car and the bike are just two of the symbols (it could easily be coffee vs tea and still involve the same passion!).Although the oppressed majority of car owners easily has the upper hand when it comes to being able to own and drive a vehicle and are largely unaccountable for the costs (e.g. road network, pollution or just the opportunity cost of using the space for something other than parking or driving), they are the eternal victims, especially when it comes to any measure which improves safety or utility for other road users that in any way results in a "loss" of space or time.I note your language is often hyperbolic - "zealots", "liars", "fascists" and you condemn the tactics of those who disagree while engaging in the same or worse without any suggestion of hypocrisy, because the ends justify the means when battling a hugely powerful enemy that always fights dirty and with the full resources of the deep state behind them.I can't answer your question because it is based on a mindset and a way of looking at the world that I simply don't share.  Although I've been drawn into this debate on the forum, I still quite happily drive and cycle whenever either is appropriate, which you've made clear is hypocritical, but to most people isn't controversial or something they spend a lot of time thinking about.

Ed Saper ● 2000d

Yes, my point was about identity politics and that this subset of drivers (not all drivers of course) present themselves as "eternal victims" with grievances that include:- cyclists don't pay for roads, drivers do, so not fair- and your additional point that cyclists don't have registration numbers and are thus unaccountable, also not fair.It is the "unfairness" of how drivers are treated compared to the "privileges" cyclists get - the implication being they are "free riders" on roads.  Or to put it another way, because drivers pay some tax, they are entitled to use the roads and should be given priority over other users or even exclude other users who don't pay anything.  Roads are a public good - provided by and paid for by government(s) for everyone to benefit from.  If you drive or cycle or use a bus, you directly benefit.  If you receive Amazon deliveries or need to call out an ambulance or fire engine, you benefit - and I could go on and on!Car drivers do not pay for the roads.  There is no hypothecated road tax that fully funds it - in fact there is no road tax at all.  Any entitlement or ownership of roads that you feel you have is a chimera.  There is a vehicle tax - and if you own a car, you do need to pay that, but you pay less for a motorcycle and a lot less for a moped.  Vehicle tax isn't charged on bicycles, scooters, currently all electric cars, disabled passenger cars, mobility scooters, historic vehicles and some farm vehicles.  (There are other costs / taxes like congestion charge, ULEZ, fuel duty - but I'll acknowledge and skip for now.)Vehicle tax does not go towards building or even just maintaining roads - it goes to central government to spend on anything.(The same with speeding / traffic violation fines - they don't go to improving infrastructure, which is one reason (among many!) why your cycling fines paying for cycle lanes idea won't work.)The roads are paid for by everyone in this country so it is incorrect to say that "cyclists bear zero cost for the infrastructure they demand" - we all pay for the roads, whether that is a motorway or a cycle lane.But car drivers aren't just not responsible for providing the roads they use and park on, they are also not financially responsible for the emissions (13,000 premature deaths per year), pedestrian deaths (450 per year), pedestrian injuries, or the wear and tear maintenance required as their vehicles are far heavier than e.g a pedestrian or cyclist, or even the congestion they cause because cars take up so much more road space than a cyclist.As many of The OC like to point out on here, a lot of cyclists also have cars (the hypocrites!), but that just means that many cyclists are also paying the same taxes as you are.

Ed Saper ● 1999d

Hi Jeremy, I don't disagree that there is an insinuation, but there is no outright accusation.My post below is really about crisis PR, something I've had to do occasionally.  It isn't actually about whether the accusation is true or false.  For reference, I'll repost your repost:----"'A woman in my area has been relentless in arguing the case for safe cycling. She has had much abuse from the local anti-cycling group which is raising £50k to get our new cycle lane torn out. Yesterday she woke to find all the flowers in her front garden had been decapitated.'"----And also for reference, the statement from The OC:----“It has been brought to our attention that an accusation has been made and repeated on social media without any evidence. It implies that people associated with an ‘anti cycling’ group in Chiswick have vandalised some flowers belonging to a keen cycling campaigner. It insinuates that OneChiswick are responsible.“OneChiswick deplores vandalism and would never act like this, or support others doing so. We entirely reject these false insinuations and the likely motivations behind them.”----I felt the rebuttal missed the mark in several areas:1. It doesn't address who the real victim is - the person who's garden was vandalised.  2. It doesn't address a key accusation that she has had "much abuse from the local anti-cycling group".  3. It doesn't address the motivation behind the attack - that the victim was targeted because she was pro "safe cycling".4. It doesn't address that The OC want to tear out the cycle lane.5. It is a straight denial of responsibility that doesn't acknowledge the role the "abuse" might have played in motivating the attack. 6. It goes paranoid at the end with "false insinuations and the likely motivations behind them". I assumed there'd been a pivot in strategy away from the angry denial, which was based on "no evidence", which I would read as "you can't accuse us of this because you can't prove it" which inadvertently makes The OC sound guilty.I just want to clarify Point 1 - the victim here is NOT The OC - even if they feel victimised, that's not how they appear in the court of public opinion, where they've been presented as the abusers.  Assuming that cooler heads don't demand that they consult a PR expert and work out a strategy, and still feel an immediate rebuttal is important, I would have framed it more like this:----The OC were upset to hear about the recent vandalisation of a garden that is expertly and beautifully tended by a hugely respected member of our Community.  We fully support their work in furthering safe cycling, and while we may disagree occasionally on the solutions, we are of one purpose in wanting to make Chiswick a safe and beautiful place for people to live and work.  JV makes an important point about how passionate voices can sometimes lead to regrettable and inexcusable abuse on some social media platforms, and we acknowledge that sometimes our members have been at fault.  We take this seriously and will be consulting on a new code of conduct for our members to enable us to have these important conversations in a constructive way.The OC has reached out to the person to offer our support.  We have many keen gardeners among our members who are horrified by this act of vandalisation and would like to assist.  We are also donating £200 to help with the purchase of replacement plants or if they prefer, to donate to a local charity.  ----[I didn't put in anything about removing the cycle lane - but if it was The OC's policy, then they could put a line in that says they support the full CS9 and want to move on from the flawed, rushed and unsafe implementation of the temporary one.]Obviously if they had done with something like this, they can't then go down the squirrel line which rubbishes the credibility of JV and the victim. 

Ed Saper ● 1997d

Ed, beautifully crafted as your response is, it has the tone of something written for a corporate entity rather than a human being. I think you are forgetting here that there are real people behind One Chiswick. I am talking about the individuals who are co-ordinating the fundraising rather than some of the headbangers who pollute the Facebook Group. The former are upstanding individuals who genuinely believe what has happened in Chiswick is bad and have, as far as I can tell, the support of a significant majority of local residents. In the main they choose not to argue the toss on social media but are pursuing their objectives through the courts. From what I am told their chances of success are high but we will find out one way or another next month.Whether you want to call it insinuation or accusation, Jeremy Vine has made a very specific slight on their characters to his hundreds of thousands of followers. He has done this because provocation is part of his attention seeking behaviour. He can dish it out because he relishes controversy and the limelight but the principal people behind One Chiswick do not.Despite what you say they are the victims here. I think, given the evidence that has been put forward in the past by Abundance, on the balance of probability there was no vandalism so a no liability apology and offer of restitution wouldn't be appropriate in these circumstances.What the Poundshop Paxman is trying to do is characterise the other side of the argument by the worst of its exponents because conflict is good for his social media profile. People against the traffic measures do the same and so the debate becomes not about the evidence of whether the scheme is good or bad but the personal deficiencies of people who disagree with you.

Jeremy Parkinson ● 1997d

By pointing out that One Chiswick is incorporated strikes me as trying to get off on a technicality. The main individuals behind it are well known in this community and there isn't really getting around that Jeremy Vine's posting was a personal attack on them. Just as I have argued that Karen Liebreich should not be subjected to unsubstantiated insinuation, the same standard should apply here.I am no mathematician but, as far as I can tell, you do not need to be particularly good at sums to work out that a majority of people area against these schemes - the council's own survey into the future of Chiswick High Road concluded that those opposed to these schemes outweighed those in favour by a significant margin, the consultation web site run by the council indicates an overwhelming proportion of the comments have been negative, petitions against these schemes have been signed by thousands of people, the Liberal Democrat survey of Southfield ward indicates 78% of residents oppose the Fishers Lane closure.As far as I can see every quantifiable measure shows that OneChiswick are probably representing the majority view of the community. Now that we are allowed to catch up with old friends by meeting up for a drink outside again, these traffic measures seem to be the main topic of conversation. I won't argue that my friendship group is particularly diverse demographically but it does include a good proportion of avid cyclists and the opinions on what has been done range from cross to apoplectic.Put together this would seem to me to indicate that it is not unreasonable, even without any great mathematical insight, to conclude that the majority of people in Chiswick are against these schemes but if you have evidence that might convince me otherwise please share.

Jeremy Parkinson ● 1997d

I think those that support a measure are going to be rather reluctant to sign a petition against it! And if you're unwilling to claim that surveys give an accurate picture, how can you then claim they indicate widespread opposition?  It is rather common to hear from opponents of these traffic measures that it's the particular latest implementation in their area that is at fault, not the principle or already existing schemes.  Indeed local prominent campaigners against these measures in Chiswick benefit from such LTN's and I'm sure they don't want either Chiswick Road or Priory Avenue opened to through traffic! It's difficult to explain the widespread backing for more LTN's across London if all the recent ones were badly implemented.Similarly you said "the vast majority of people's vote in the local constituency will not have primarily decided either way by their view on transport policy." But that wouldn't apply to your friends who all feel "cross to apoplectic" about these measures. I don't doubt there is a very vociferous minority, but they appear to be statistically insignificant in the latest elections.As an example, it's interesting you choose to bracket Ealing with Chiswick in terms of the strength of the opposition to these temporary traffic measures. So why didn't Shaun Bailey perform significantly better in Ealing than the rest of London, where you agree surveys have shown backing for LTN's and bike lanes? Isn't that robust evidence, and of your own selection, that you might have misjudged the numbers who feel strong opposition to these measures?

Tom Pike ● 1996d

Jeremy, Tom's question was:"why didn't Shaun Bailey perform significantly better in Ealing than the rest of London, where you agree surveys have shown backing for LTN's and bike lanes?" You could have answered the question or perhaps respond disputing the premise of the question or with evidence that supports your assessment that LTNs are overwhelming opposed.  I don't know how Shaun Bailey actually did in Ealing - maybe he did better than Tom suggests?  Perhaps the data that Tom relies on doesn't show support or isn't robust enough?Instead you answered by discrediting the questioner: calling him a "barrister".  Why did you respond in that way? Was his question unfair?  A trick question?  Is Tom completely discredited in your view, so anything he says should be dismissed out of hand?Shaun Bailey was outspoken in saying he'd pause cycle lanes and reverse LTN and street space measures which by your assessment is a crucial issue that motivates a majority of people in this area.  One of the main jobs of the mayor is running transport policy, so why would people discount transport as an issue when casting their vote? You come across as a sane and intelligent person - prepared to change his mind on important issues if prevented with robust evidence.  Do you think there is an outside possibility that there is more support for low traffic neighbourhoods and traffic measures that prioritise non-car modes in West London than you currently believe based on the data sources you've used to come to that conclusion?Is there a possibility that the surveys showing majority support elsewhere in London aren't flawed, biased or irrelevant?Do you think there is any chance that you may have discounted legitimate data that doesn't support your views because the person or organisation presenting that data has been discredited as unreliable, not objective or comes with an agenda and whether that discredit is objectively reasonable?  I ask because you did say that it is possible the "shared opinion of my small circle of friends is unrepresentative of the general opinion of the area" which demonstrates an open mind.

Ed Saper ● 1996d

Sam, you are repeatedly making the same mistake that has been pointed out to you on many occasions. The TfL modelling explicitly stated that it did not include the effect of any modal shifts, so you are again confusing this constraint with a prediction that the result of the scheme would only be a redistribution of pollution. This point has been made to you repeatedly but you either are unable to grasp it or choose to deliberately ignore it.Emissions are quite different from pollution, and I am surprised you are unaware of this fundamental distinction. Domestic emissions are mainly from gas heating, but they do not cause appreciable pollution. In contrast transport causes both emissions and  pollution, not just from the products of the incomplete combustion of hydrocarbons but also from brake and tyre particulates. You are fundamentally misrepresenting your own council's report in claiming that it concludes most pollution is not caused by transport, and I hope in this case it is from your ignorance. The 24 deaths from pollution in Chiswick are attributable mainly to transport. That is not hype, and your attempt to present it as such does you no credit. You and your fellow councillors might want to consider why Londoners voting first preference Green then spilt more than six to one in favour of Saddiq Kahn in their second preferences. It would be reasonable to conclude that they did not believe that the policies of Shaun Bailey, which you endorsed, represented a coherent response to the environmental challenges that London faces. Your post serves only to confirm that their belief was correct.

Tom Pike ● 1995d