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As someone who used to cycle up Kensington HS pretty regularly (no need currently) there were definitely a few places where I never felt that safe, so logically I should be in favour of a cycle lane.IMO the survey questions were not biased but they did lack a lot of crucial information - and of course that information is both highly controversial, usually incomplete and often very badly analyzed by people who want to prove their prejudice rather than be guided by the data.The information the public would need to know before expressing a view one way or another on a cycle way would include but not necessarily limited to:(a) how safe was the High Street for cyclists, pedestrians and other road users before the cycle way was put in(b) how safe was the High Street with the cycle way in place(c) what effect did the cycle way have on traffic volumes, and if it reduced volumes where did the traffic go in the short term, the medium term and the long terms (d) what effect did the cycle way have on journey timesCovid & lockdown has had significant effects on traffic so that it becomes very difficult to analyze the data to validly isolate the effect that the cycle way is having.Then there is the fact that the cycle way was remove so quickly that just is no data on anything other than the very short term effects.In fact the only data we have that is reliable relates to historic safety record on Kensington High Street.Circling this back to Chiswick, if we want decisions about LTNs and cycle ways to be data driven we do need the existing, and controversial, road changes imposed by LBH to continue for at least a year maybe even 18 months after lock down ends.  Without that we would simply be guessing as to what the medium to long term effects of these changes will be

Justin Stephenson ● 2064d

These threads become the usual entrenched views. A few thoughts:* I agree with Al that we need a London wide approach, which needs to come from TFL. At present piecemeal road closures with no planning and nothing to address the daily flood of commuter traffic into London every day will simply displace traffic and cause huge congestion. Traffic evaporation is a myth, London wide data for the last 20 years proves this* Its ironic for two middle class WFH professionals who are the classic cycling lobbyist demographic to complain about the demographic that opposes cycle lanes* nearly all of us use multiple transport models, we do not obsess about one mode with lots of virtue signalling motives. No other European city has put public transport at a disadvantage in order to promote cycling* I am not sure if Tom has ever been on a bus, he certainly has no idea of local bus routes. He has mentioned buses once, to claim that the partial closure of Fishers Lane had transformed the running of the 272. Ignoring the impact on this route of congestion in the rest of the area. I think the utter ignorance of reality betrayed in his comments speaks for itself* For cycling lobbyists to complain about prepared or tailored responses is pathetic. The cycle lobby groups have lots of playbooks and prepared answers that are rolled out regularly, just look at this thread* Tom has suddenly discovered a concern for lower income groups. They may have lower levels of car ownership, but they are also very heavy bus users, the big losers from CS9* Ask local businesses, local tradespeople and local delivery drivers how they feel. A delivery the other week the guy vented for 5 minutes about the nightmare in parts of London and especially areas of Chiswick* 'Award winning' market research companies get recognition for getting the results their clients want. Just like all the Heathrow polls showing we all want more planes* I think it was Michael R who has repeatedly told us local consultations are not referendums. All the consultaions in CHiswick show clear opposition, with the one by the Ealing Libdems a good example. So which is it guys, are we allowing local democracy to triumph so ask local businesses and residents, or do we impose stuff with no consultation?* There needs to be compromise. The temporary CS9 will cause mayhem, that is obvious.

Paul Green ● 2063d

Paul, I've said this before in other threads, but public transport will not get a lot of people out of their cars.Public transport is not door to door for most people.  It also stops regularly.  Both of those things make it inherently slow, and there is nothing that can be done about it.My wife's journey to work would need 3 buses by public transport, or a bus and a train plus a 10 to 12 minute walk to the station.  It would literally take twice as long as driving.  You might be able to knock a few minutes of that with more frequent buses, or more bus lanes, but it's always going to be slow, and there is nothing that can change that.  You could try adding hundreds of new bus routes across London so there are more direct options, but that would cost billions, and would still be slow, as you waste time waiting at the bus stop, the buses stop every few hundred metres, and they will still get stuck in traffic as the roads aren't wide enough for dedicated bus lanes everywhere.Most of London is very flat.  There are a handful of people with physical disabilities who might be unable to cycle, but the vast majority could cycle.Long term, cycling also works out a lot cheaper than public transport as well.You then need to think about the health aspects.  There are reports today about the effect of obesity on deaths from Covid.  Britain has the fourth highest rate of obesity in the world.  That's creating all kinds of other health issues as well.  Getting millions of people cycling or walking on a regular basis will bring massive health improvement, and slash the bill for the NHS.Around two thirds of car journeys are under 5 miles.  Given how flat London is, that should be easily possible to cycle for most people.  A lot of the time, that journey will actually be quicker by bike as well as a lot cheaper.We aren't going to fix our roads and air pollution without getting a lot of people onto bikes, as public transport is just not a viable option for a lot of people, especially in outer London.

Al Webber ● 2063d

Al, you continue to show the same myopic, what suits me, views.'public transport will not get a lot of people out of their cars' Wow, prize for idiotic comment of the month. Even in October 2020 there were 34 million tube journeys on TFL. During lockdown there are still c 2m bus journeys a day. Cycle journeys are a fraction of this and even doubling will not dent the congestion problemThe problem in London is the flood of traffic in and out of London, not local traffic. Look at the a4 in normal time and how it gridlocks W4. This will not be addressed ever by bikes. You should ask yourself why are bus speeds falling every year despite supposed bus friendly measures. Then you might get more people onto them. The eventual opening of Crossrail should be the time for a London congestion charge, including a Heathrow specific zone. Invest in step free access for our tubes (sorely lacking in W4). Oslo expanded local bus and train routes and increased frequency alongside cycle route improvements. They do not obsess with one mode over another. We have the most expensive public transport in Europe, and fares now have gone up again due to COVID. We need to make public transport cheap and accessible, including step free access toI love a stroll to the tube or bus stop, when commuting I would get off a stop or two early for a walk. Just because you and your wife cannot possibly sit on a bus and read or walk to the tube, dont impose your life style choices on the rest of us.

Paul Green ● 2063d