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Tom, the problem is that none of these fanciful reports on traffic evaporation stand up to scrutiny, just like your confused claim that closing Hammersmith bridge led to traffic evaporation and 'clean are for all'. Utter and embarrassing jibberish.You state in another thread that the issue on CHR is congestion limiting traffic flow. But the answer seems to be to create more congestion by actively throttling back traffic, as explicitly done by the new bus gate and the effect of changed light phases and dedicated turn lanes at key junctions.Your comments also completely ignore the role of public transport and buses. A single double decker can carry over 100 people but is not stuck in congestion along with other traffic. You also ignore trade vehicles, a flood of them every morning into W4. As for polls, those are just like the ones LHR produce telling us all we are desperate for more planes overhead. The objective local analysis that shows opposition to many of these schemes is studiously ignored, indeed one of your fellow lobbyists regularly tells us these schemes consultations are not referendums. THough what exactly they are is unclearIt is interesting you have nothing to say on the very damning High Court judgement on the actions of TFL in installing these schemes, the lack of consideration given to various groups and the underhand way they have been forced through.Can you please stop being so myopic and obsessed with cycling. Yes its a good thing but it is not and never will be the single answer, the sooner you acknowledge this and work out how to operate with other modes of transport the better.

Paul Green ● 2094d

Classy post that John.. brought a smile..I'm no fan of the One Chiswick campaign.I think it's divisive.  Inaccurate. Tabloid-hysterical.  Basically they want rid of the cycle lane, an end to any idea of TGT and Devonshire Road ever being car free - and plenty of parking space with a swift return to the status quo. Fair enough even though I don't agree. Partly because their headline claims that Chiswick is being destroyed by Hounslow Council.  I hold no brief for Hounslow or any Council.  They are always the easiest of targets.  So to me, the campaign's claim, that Hounslow is destroying Chiswick, is just a cheap populist exaggeration.  I find it strangely offensive.  It isn't that simple, by a very long way..I'm sure it's true that quite a few of the shops have suffered under covid.  For all the obvious reasons that have previously been discussed to exhaustion.  Particularly the restaurants and food shops.  Customers locked-down.  Customers hiding from disease.  Customers not travelling into town. Customers scared to travel.  Customers getting stuff delivered.And I'm also sure that some shops have particularly suffered from the parking experiment.  Shops like Marmalade who probably draw clients from a very wide area.Paradoxically though, some of our flagship shops have visibly been doing a roaring trade throughout the pandemic. Whilst others are surviving the crisis and holding on tight for better times.Far from all the shops choose to display the OneChiswick poster.  And I personally know that a few display it only out of loyalty to their neighbouring shopkeepers.  It's genuinely a more complex picture that some are keen to maintain.I just think (and did from the start) that One-Chiswick simply doesn't help.  It divides - it hinders.

Stuart Kerr ● 2094d

Tom is correct that the new website usefully collates the research in one place and almost certainly correct that the people behind the OneChiswick website have not read any of it.I decided to read the original research paper from 1998 which I found to be interesting, balanced and surprisingly honest about the limitations both of the actual research and previous studies.  What I was surprised to find was that the 1998 study did not support the idea that traffic management schemes and road closures caused traffic to evaporate.  In some cases it did, in others it did not - as the authors said traffic changes adapted in space and time (which sounds very sci-fi but just means that drivers changed the time of day they took their journeys and changed routes sometimes be considerable distances).In fairness to the original authors it is worth pointing out that behavioral science has advanced considerably over the 22 years since their report.Then I looked at Rachel Alred's latest research and whilst it was obvious where her bias was (and I have no issue with that), my problem with her research on traffic "evaporation" was that it was highly limited and simply ignored most of the caveats that the original 1998 research suggested were important.IMO the traffic evaporation claims are significantly overstated - amusingly this was also one of the themes of the original 1998 report.  I do believe it is likely there will be some evaporation but that will be limited to local traffic and most of that depends on alternatives such as bus travel being easy.  That brings me to the next limitation - it is obvious to all who look at CHR that bus journey times will be slower.  Whilst it may be obvious, that does not means it is true.  I can see the need for some long term monitoring broken down by time of day, time of year and overall road traffic volumes.  Without that we will never truly know whether or eyes are deceiving us or not

Justin Stephenson ● 2094d

Justin, you right that the claims are overstated and not verifiable, just like Tom's claims about Hammersmith Bridge. It relies on being highly selective.If i close two lanes of the M1, I then monitor the amount of traffic flowing past this point. I also monitor some of the surrounding A roads. Of course, these cannot cope with the displaced traffic and so are gridlocked, as is the motorway. Some drivers give up this journey, others find alternative routes to alternative destinations, others sit in jams. But to Tom, the fact that fewer people now move between A and B proves evaporation, not least because congestion is simply not measured.So we see in W4, the design of CS9 intentionally throttles traffic, creating long queues before the new bus gate, at the eastern end with loss of left turn lane and shorter green periods, and Acton Lane to South Parade. Many of these routes, already busy, become gridlocked. So again Tom would look at aggregate data and say 'oh look, its evaporated'. A truly incredible claim when many see queues of traffic.Then you only measure air quality in the central stretch, where there is less traffic, and go oh look at the nice clean air. Tom even now claims CS9 has caused the lower pollution, not the near complete lockdown or the fact that all the measures specifically reduce the number of vehicles past the monitor. Its madness and frankly dishonest. He simply does not care about those residents who face more traffic and more pollution.Such myopic and biased conclusions.

Paul Green ● 2094d