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An astonoshing amount of virtue signalling in this thread. I agree with the other Paul, Edward's comments take the prize as the most pathetic and self-obsessed by a cycling lobbyist so far.How Stuart can describe these words as gentle beggars belief. The horrors of slavery equate to opposing CS9 or some of the LTNs? What next, should we equate to the Holocaust as well. Pathetic. As a clearly intelligent person the lack of perspective is astonishing.Stuart, you are not a heretic by giving up a car, many other have, do you want us all to acknowledge this brave act? I was looking to do the same and rely on public transport, Uber and the occasional Zipcar pre-COVID. That has gone on hold. The constant denigration of anyone who opposes these schemes as somehow anti safe streets, in favour of pollution or wanting to drive everywhere is equally pathetic. If such straw man arguments are all the lobbyists have it shows you have nothing to offer.All other European countries that we are told to follow have cheaper public transport and none of them put cycling ahead of mass transit -  none. We would all like fewer vehicles on our road, and yes the main problem in W4 is and always has been through traffic. But these schemes do NOTHING to address this, nothing at all. They actually create congestion, divert large amounts of traffic onto residential roads, increasing dangers and pollution. WE need intergrated solutions, that will inevitably include some degree of road charging and the growing use of shared vehicles. Cycles, scooters etc will be part of the answer, but lets stop pretending they are the answer. Next time you order from Amazon, need a plumber, or want to get to the airport, see if a bicycle turns up...

Paul Green ● 2097d

Modern motor cars are fitted with particulate filters which mean their toxic emissions are close to zero. Even if you believe the small amount of NOx issued by diesel cars presents a health risk this is set to disappear this October with the ULEZ and had probably already fallen substantially. If anything electric cars may increase particulate pollution due to the increased tyre wear they suffer from. Larger vehicles, including delivery vans are not able to have particulate filters with the same effectiveness so the emit proportionately much more. If you take into account many of them are refrigerated this gap is increased further. The way grocery deliveries are handled may not help either. Primarily it is on a first come first served basis rather than to make the delivery route more efficient so a delivery next to Strand on the Green can be scheduled next to one to Bedford Park mean these vans criss cross Chiswick all day travelling further than if each shop was done individually by car. This issue is clearly very complex as are most to do with transport and therefore you should always be very suspicious about people with moral certainty on the matter. That said on balance I don't see any basis for the argument that getting food delivered is better for the environment than driving to get it yourself. Delivery means there is more chance that a higher polluting vehicle is driven further to get the goods to you. Combined with the excess packaging, short sell by dates typical of online deliveries that lead to more waste my view is delivery is the second best option for the environment in normal circumstances. However, this differences are so marginal that they are easily trumped at the moment by the imperative of avoiding entering crowded spaces if possible.



Andrew OSullivan ● 2096d