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Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine approved

The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine has been approved for use in the UK, with the first doses due to be given on Monday amid rising coronavirus cases.The UK has ordered 100 million doses - enough to vaccinate 50 million people.This will cover the entire population, when combined with the full order of the Pfizer-BioNTech jab, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.Wonderful news!!!

Anthony Tan ● 2128d46 Comments

Great news indeed. 53,000 cases yesterday. Anyone seen any words of encouragement or support  from the PM recently bearing in mind that we are in the middle of a national health crisis ?Where is he?

Stewart Jones ● 2128d

"Where is he?"Making sure the Brexit trade deal goes through parliament today. There are only so many hours in a day.

Richard Greenhough ● 2128d

Great news indeed. Yet it seems the bill-posting anti-vaxxers are already doing their best to allow others to die. Two ripped down so far.

Gordon McDonald ● 2128d

Keep up the good work, Gordon. Those liars need punching.

Susan Kelly ● 2128d

He is indeed. Thanks. Should have realised. And he was wearing a mask. Great celebrations tonight. Putin has already booked in his call to congratulate the PM for delivering what the Russians have wanted for years.

Stewart Jones ● 2128d

This is unalloyed excellent news. I'd also like to suggest that when the idiot carpenter & other associated brain donors show up spouting their anti-vax nonsense that the moderators of this site don't display their usual indulgence of their idiocy & delete their posts & suspend them from the site for the duration of the vaccination program. This is not a free speech issue. It's about not providing demonstrably idiotic morons with a platform to spout dangerous nonsense during a public health crisis unprecedented in living memory. If they have the courage of their convictions they can do a few shifts in a Covid ITU unvaccinated and then go to speakers corner & bloviate on about what a dreadful hoax it all is. Arseholes.

Huw Burford-Taylor ● 2128d

I think your get a responce to those you point towards but i dont think your get your ban in return

Julian Pavey ● 2128d

Probably not, but nothing ventured etc. etc.

Huw Burford-Taylor ● 2128d

It is worth a try but people also get away with the most appalling personal attacks on the forum which raise all sort of questions and the moderators are very slow to respond if at all.

Stewart Jones ● 2128d

Didn't know Boris was able to deliver on the Russian gas pipeline to Germany. He must have hidden talents !

Richard Greenhough ● 2128d

I dont think we have moderators but owners who may or not respond to emails of complaints and then take or not takeoke action. If you wish to hand a few forum members the capability of moderating the forum then it would be in a worse state. As a mod i would ban you for whinging every day 😀 Im pulling your leg, but it would end up more a mess than it sometimes is. While it gets a bit out of control sometimes people must remember its a forum and not a message board. Its been said before that a message board should be created away from the forum and i dont mean classified adds but calls for helpor good information to pass on that people can respond to

Julian Pavey ● 2128d

It is what it is, we all have different ideas and opinions that is life, sosee nothing wrong with the site in general apart from trolling which we have not really had in a serious way.

Janice Evans ● 2128d

Trolling has been missing for a little while I wonder why ? Who has gone on the missing list

Julian Pavey ● 2128d

Em, I'm obviously not missing whoever as cannot recall.

Janice Evans ● 2128d

I'm perfectly comfortable with a robust exchange of views. I've dished enough of it out over the years that it would be beyond hypocritical of me to moan about being on the receiving end. That is most emphatically NOT what I am talking about.Deliberate, demonstrable, dangerous lies about proven science during a public health crisis isn't "free speech" the perpetrators are not "offering an alternative opinion." They're either too stupid to understand the proven medical benefits of vaccines, in which case they really shouldn't be allowed out unsupervised, or they're doing it for shits & giggles in a manner which suggests that they have all the emotional maturity of pre teen children, which, in nominally fully grown adults suggests that they definitely shouldn't be allowed out unsupervised. Either way, and as much as I enjoy, and have participated in a good piss take and/or wind up, there comes a time when one has to appreciate that there's a time and place for that sort of thing, and it shouldn't really need saying but a global pandemic is neither.

Huw Burford-Taylor ● 2128d

HuwB-T - anyone following CW4 on a regular basis knows perfectly well what to expect from the site's conspiracy theorists, and is highly unlikely to be influenced on whether to accept vaccination by their posts. Perhaps we ought to be more concerned that the brother of the man the Labour Party put forward as a candidate for Prime Minister as recently as last year is among those claiming that Covid-19 is a hoax. I don't know what they fed them in the Shropshire manor house where they grew up, but it clearly wasn't good for mental development.

Richard Greenhough ● 2128d

Bloody ridiculous and unnecessary high-jacking of this thread Huw.  Shame on you.  I hope the Editor pays you a visit and thoroughly spanks your fusspot bottom!!Anyways...  Back on track..This clever Oxford vaccine introduces a harmless virus that dressed-up to look like covid in order to trigger our own defence mechanism to go to war against any genuine covid that gets its way in.  Or something like that.So.. you get the jab and the tin says it's between 62% and 90% effective.What I'd like to know is, if I'm one of the 4 out of ten who is unlucky and gets this plague, does the vaccine still have benefits?  Would it still activate my tired antibodies to get to work and thus lessen the symptoms and aid my recovery?  Or will I still be a likely gonner?

Stuart Kerr ● 2128d

Would think it has similar effect as the flu jab and will protect but possibly not fully from all strains, and once again will epend on general health of the person.

Janice Evans ● 2128d

Mean depend on general health.

Janice Evans ● 2128d

I’m no fan of Jeremy but his brother Piers Corbyn is a friend of mine and I have supported his campaign to have Matt Hancock arrested for fraud and treason under Common Law.

bobby osborne ● 2128d

What happens unlike the flu where a new strain comes along and you cant over a short period change the coding for it to be effective to a high percentage. We could all end up back to square one. Its all very open without knowing the future

Julian Pavey ● 2128d

On the theme of someone's brother's actions, I think it is unfortunate for the sane and sensible Jo Johnson that his brother Boris's inability to take decisive actions on time has caused the needless deaths of thousands of his countrymen and women to date with many more to follow as a result of his failure to act decisively now to end the current acceleration in Covid cases.

John Connelly ● 2128d

So if you were PM, what would you do now, JC ?

Richard Greenhough ● 2128d

I think we all know that John months ago I think possibly you should say what you think should happen now as many will disagree and not the anti brigade. Closing schools for instance is not decisive action agreed with eveyone but the majority it can be said do agree. As far as i am concerned the PM follows advice from a chosen few experts and acts accordingly. If he disagrees is open to thoughts rather than fact. As far as my thought process,where we must take action has been taken and the we think ideas have been changed where both agree in principle for a period of time. I think you have to blame us,the people. Been out lately ? You instruct the police in law and they come back saying they will not  from the top downwards. Its us who spread the virus,not the goverment.

Julian Pavey ● 2128d

And is Lockdown actually working?

Russell Pearson ● 2128d

Bit patchy,depends where you go. Many people out and about with no masks.I have to say i dont allways where a mask when out just to put my position on record but allways if in crowded place or a shop or transport. I blame the gvmt for eveyone out and about. But then some opeles actions are a chinses state clampdown.  Again,another devided thought

Julian Pavey ● 2128d

Sorry,typed to quickly and just sent Sure you get the idea

Julian Pavey ● 2128d

You'll be OK. The vaccine is being introduced to as many as possible, with the secondary booster jab following in 12 weeks rather than 4 so as to enable that. The trials showed that 10-14 days after the initial jab, no one who had it was & then caught C-19 was hospitalised with it. Which, whilst non-optimal & likely to be medium unpleasant, will not cause any fatalities nor the collapse of the NHS.

Huw Burford-Taylor ● 2128d

For the love of all that is holy is there nothing you won't try & associate with JC? Your obsession with the former leader (and now independent MP for Islington North) and his family is borderline weird. He doesn't hold the Labour whip, from what I can see is pretty unlikely to regain it & is an utter irrelevance nowadays.

Huw Burford-Taylor ● 2128d

Thanks for that Huw..  Very encouraging.Mine was an obvious question but wherever I looked, answer was there none...Ta..

Stuart Kerr ● 2128d

The oxford vaccine is brilliant news, it is stored at regular fridge temperature, much easier to distribute, making no profit, first jab provides protection after 7 days so many more people can join the queue. From what I have read even if you do get covid after the jab the virus should be milder so hopefully quicker recovery, not so many side affects like long covid, little or no hospitalisation, well done to all those involved in developing this vaccine 👏👏👏👏 Whoever was in government right now would be dammed for whatever they do, I for one praise them all, the world has seen nothing like this before and was totally unprepared for such a pandemic. They have done their best, sadly many in society have not played their part and followed the guidelines.

Jayne Thorburn ● 2128d

It doesn't take much to get the steam coming out of your ears, does it HB-T ? Although for most people the holy JC isn't the one with the allotment in Islington. Anyway, it is PC (apparently a chum of BO) who is leading Covid-spreading demos in Central London while claiming the whole thing is a hoax. Do you think he should be silenced too ? Meanwhile, JC's contributions on this thread suggest he has problems with BJ and his family, although he seems to have forgotten RJ.

Richard Greenhough ● 2128d

De nada. Was on Radio 4 first thing this am.

Huw Burford-Taylor ● 2128d

We should all be very grateful, the political digs are ignored.

Janice Evans ● 2128d

Richard, having seen figures rise to where they were in mid-December Boris should have accompanied the tightening of Christmas relaxation with a Tier 4 lockdown across England from midnight before Boxing Day as is happening in the rest of the UK. The more virulent strain should have been the basis for people coming from abroad to face compulsory quarantine in hotel accommodation. All accompanied by more severe enforcement of breaches of travel, household mixing and other rules. I am personally sympathetic to the Isle of Man approach.It is no coincidence that the countries with the lowest infection levels today are those that acted promptly rather than vacillated. Beginning in March the position in the UK as a whole would have been better if effective action had taken place as soon as medical advice was given. Boris has consistently been behind the curve because of his desire to be popular with the public, because he is intimidated by some of his own party's backwoodsmen, and because he is a ditherer by nature.

John Connelly ● 2128d

No steam, just a general mystification at your obsession with an independent back bench MP with zero influence on current Labour policy that's all. If you'd actually read what I said, rather than trying to create a straw man you'd know I said people who promote objectively dangerous anti-science nonsense during the biggest public health crisis for generations shouldn't be given a platform. I didn't say they should be silenced. Speakers Corner exists for cranks like that, they can warble away there to their hearts content. Everyone has a right to free speech, no one has the right to a platform, I would suggest you acquaint yourself with the difference.

Huw Burford-Taylor ● 2128d

Sorry – but gotta laugh at that one Huw...“Speaker's corner is for cranks”...What the bloody hell  d'you imagine this place is for?

Stuart Kerr ● 2128d

I don’t think, either, that he communicated the seriousness of it. ‘Squash the sombrero’ sort of throwaway lines made it like a joke. We have had vastly more infections and we don’t seem to obey the rules. Saw yesterday that it was probably British backpackers partying in large numbers on the beaches in Sydney.

Vivienne Cox ● 2128d

You can hardly blame BoJo for the party in Sydney, or the Londoners who thought it was appropriate to head for the Brecon Beacons a couple of days ago. Short of installing checkpoints on all the major highways, what else can a government do if its citizens are determined to ignore all the rules mean to prevent the spread of the disease ?Just be glad it isn't a return of the Black Death.

Richard Greenhough ● 2128d

Some backpackers holiday as from mid march you cant get into Australia. "Australia closed its borders to almost everyone except returning citizens or permanent residents and their families in March" Zero flights except repatriation flights sanctioned by the gvmt

Julian Pavey ● 2128d

I know someone who was on holiday in Oz when the pandemic hit and has been stuck in Melbourne for nearly a year.

Richard Greenhough ● 2128d

"Where is he?"Bojo is currently doing a live briefing. Is that good enough for you ?

Richard Greenhough ● 2128d

Michael Brown ● 2128d

Here you go, bumfilled:https://brandnewtube.com/v/VrJ5Th

Michael Brown ● 2128d

OK, I'll admit it, I clicked on your YouTube link.First three people I recognised on the banner were the Clinically Insane David Icke, the Aids-denying Doctor Vernon Coleman and Jeremy Corbyn's Idiot Brother.Why was I not surprised?Meanwhile, any chance you might answer my question from another thread? In case you've, er, forgotten (yeah, that'll be it), here it is again:"So you [MB} are saying that the very NHS workers and carers who refuse to take the vaccine themselves (because it's 'dangerous'), are simultaneously colluding with the government in administering it to the frail and confused? How does that work?"

Richard Cathcart ● 2128d

Huw, great to see you so positive about vacs. We certainly need good news at present but why do you think Germany are getting 10x the number that Italy are?

Mark Talbot ● 2127d