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PG: "Richard, at a loss to understand your post. Myself and several others have expressed good wishes to the injured person. I am flagging a dangerous and badly designed junction to specifically hope to avoid 'similar' accidents."RC: You have no idea whether the road design contributed to this - such incidents occurred long before they were introduced, yet you automatically jump to conclusions on this one.Besides which, there are already numerous threads about the new traffic arrangements, incl. this junction. There was nothing to stop you using the incident to make your point about road safety on one of those, thereby leaving this thread free to discuss the specifics of what happened.  PG: "Of course, I am horrified and amazed that the van driver fled the scene without stopping."RC: Your initial post (13.50) made no mention whatever of "horror" or "amazement", rather it concentrated solely on the "appalling" road design etc.This suggests to me where your real priorities lie, with your concern for the injured person an afterthought. Literally.PG: "I hope your own virtue signalling post makes you feel better."RC: So someone expressing dismay at a lack of sympathy, whatever the circumstances, for an injured person is "virtue signalling", is it?Does that mean that I am the problem then, not the incident or even the reasons behind it?Or is it simply that when you cannot "play the ball", you resort to "playing the man"?Either way it seems pretty cheap to me.

Richard Cathcart ● 2147d

IF If you can keep your head when all about you      Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,  If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,    But make allowance for their doubting too;  If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;      If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;  If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster    And treat those two impostors just the same;  If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken    Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:If you can make one heap of all your winnings    And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,And lose, and start again at your beginnings    And never breathe a word about your loss;If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew    To serve your turn long after they are gone,  And so hold on when there is nothing in you    Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,      Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,    If all men count with you, but none too much;If you can fill the unforgiving minute    With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,  Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,      And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!KiplingI know you like your poems Richard, this one was hung above our beds at home.

Adrian Irving ● 2147d