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Warning! More new traffic schemes and fines from 7 Dec

If you want to avoid traffic fines be awareAs part of Low Traffic Neighbourhood schemes Several more go live on 7 Dec and fines will be issued and ANPR will be operational1 No access to Hartingdon Rd from A316 (except residents)2 No through access along Strand on the Green to Kew Bridge both directions (except residents)The only traffic allowed along these routes will be registered residents. There are also some other schemes about to go live. Area around Grove Park and Cavendish schoolsand also no access along Staveley Rd alongside Chiswick school except for buses in peak school pick up and drop off hours. All part of south chiswick (un)liveable neighbourhood scheme.

Alina Dansord ● 2163d53 Comments

It’s worse than that - Thames rd is no through road to anyone, based on a timer. It’s a barking mad mix of restrictions.

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

Wow Grove Park and Strand on the Green are really cut off what about if you are visiting a pal? Non resident. I thought one could visit one of the many pubs along the river? This is all very confusing but we live north Chiswick and are being cut off too 😱😱😱😱 what is going on?....

Jayne Thorburn ● 2163d

Cell Block Grove Park. Only 1 unrestricted route left - SCR to Burlington. All others have restrictions: timers, blockades and ANPR etc.

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

According to the Hounslow website, the Strand on the Green scheme will have an 'Except for Access' sign, with cameras to detect vehicles driving straight through, with no privileges for local 'residents'. On the other hand, it says the Hartington Road 'closure' will have an 'Except Permit Holders' sign, with a camera programmed to allow permitted 'residents'. Meanwhile, the 'school streets'...

Peter Evans ● 2163d

Can someone remind us again, how does one register one's car registration number for exemption from the Hartington Road ANPR surveillance? (I am not optimistic about being able to do so).

Colin Jordan ● 2163d

So other than residents are we saying no one can use the roads other than residents? I am very confused.....can one go to Chiswick house and park outside of restricted times???

Jayne Thorburn ● 2163d

According to today's letter to residents. www.tinyurl.com/hartingtonroad

Bruce Hammal ● 2163d

Colin, only those living in the 2 small CPZ near Hartington can register. For the rest of us in Grove Park, coming in is verboten, as of the 7th.

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

Well that's a good start - the link doesn't seem to be working. Try this instead https://www.hounslow.gov.uk/xfp/form/333

Bruce Hammal ● 2163d

Just read the link this is outrageous, so Chiswick residents regardless of where they live can not drive locally......south or north absolutely shocking. Hounslow council are incredible so local people can not use the local roads. So from north Chiswick to see a pal in grove park one can’t?? Unless they congest the roads and  do a 30 minute journey? I bet no consultation! So Chiswick that I have known for 30 plus years is becoming a no go area for local residents? Unreal.

Jayne Thorburn ● 2163d

No consultation- the Commonplace survey was poor, most likely scammed by the LCC cycle lobby, and made no mention of mass road closures.Cllr Curran’s response to objections was to make a video, mocking and laughing at people in Grove Park.

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

Where can those who live in Chiswick and elsewhere but who aren't resident within these new schemes go to find definitive information about these closures?  Or do we just have to wait until we're faced with "no entry" etc signs and roadblocks and ANPR cameras when they're operational? Our streets are already chock a block with too much confusing signeage.  I'd like to do my homework to save having to screech to a halt and do a u-turn because I find I can't go the way I want to go... Can't find anything on the LBH website to help but I may be looking in the wrong place.

Marie Power ● 2163d

These are public roads I understood, if I can’t use them any more where do I get my road fund discount?

Craig David Mcdowell ● 2163d

This  Craziness has to stop why can’t Hounslow council just be honest they want money put up council tax do not close roads and fine local people that is a disgusting way to run a council. How can we get Steve Curran fired?

Jayne Thorburn ● 2163d

He says he has the “silent majority” behind himhttps://fb.watch/1_qbcPPxYr/

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

Not sure apart from voting him and others out at the ballot box. Its ok to have the facebook pages and the odd tweets but what it needs is a  campaign with constant momentum. Its some time away but i feel the days could be numbered for some. 5 May 2022 infact Or Ruth "i work for my own beliefs" Cadbury on 2 May 2024 or earlier

Julian Pavey ● 2163d

https://www.numberplates.express/?gclid=CjwKCAiAnvj9BRA4EiwAuUMDf6XghFyuYOW4eMknYp0GEh42KMoKkmB1UwPP4bGNb6TaAYhLVizggBoC1HkQAvD_BwEonly to be used in W4

James Roy ● 2163d

Good thing I had a long and expensive session at my dentist in Thames Road yesterday - there and back by cab. I don't want to change dentists but looks like I now may have to.

Claire Moran ● 2163d

He must mean the dead in the local graveyards.  Well, my parents are there and they certainly don't support him.

Claire Moran ● 2163d

Probably worth changing dentists if you are moving soon.Otherwise you can still go to your one on Thames Road as you will be stopping not passing through.

Tony Smart ● 2163d

The sheer idiocy of these measures has the potential to revitalise local government politics. When a couple of local clowns can successfully lobby to close down an entire neighbourhood’s ability to simply drive home, opens a few cans of worms, apologies for mixed metaphors.

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

That's not what it says.  It says residents only. Anyway, Tony, thought you were going to move to the country which is an idyll for cyclists?  Trying to make London some kind of bucolic Dutch city ain't going to work, matey.

Claire Moran ● 2163d

I have to admit I was incensed by the content of the letter I received today and consequently fired off a reply which if left for more consideration may have been better drafted. Anyhow, this is what I sent to the writer of the letter.For the attention of Tom Sharland I have received today your letter dated 19 November concerning matters relating to the alterations made to vehicular access to a number of roads. I would comment as follows:In the second para' you state "and improves local public space. It helps deliver Council priorities to improve air quality and road safety and address the climate emergency"Surely this prejudges the entire issue. These are supposed to be, as you state, trial measures. Given that large scale traffic jams have occurred in Chiswick and resultant pollution has increased it does nothing to improve air quality or address the climate emergency. The word "help" is inaccurate in this context. I would also refer you to the thousands of complaints the council has received concerning these so-called temporary trial measures. Strand-on-the Green/ Thames Road - Trial Access only ZoneIn the second para' you state  "but not passing through both points as part of a longer journey. This will be monitored at both entry and exit points to the zone to enforce against traffic trying to drive through".Does this mean that provided you enter and leave the zone by passing through the same camera access is possible without penalty?Furthermore you state "vehicles will be timed and a pre-determined set limit will determine if vehicles are travelling through, with penalty charges issued accordingly".I can find no information defining the time limit anywhere. Can you please  tell me how long this period is?Again I refer you to the question immediately above. Should someone enter and leave passing the same camera how does this meet with the definition of "travelling through?You refer to "http://tinyurl.com/ thames road" I have checked the first 10 pages of this website and cannot find any information relating to the above. Please tell me which of the web entries specifically will answer my questions.Grove Park SchoolIn the first para'  you mention"residents who live within the zone, visitors to residents" etc.,How are these visitors defined. How will ad hoc visitors be monitored? Are you proposing that all visitors are to be registered for an exemption? The information provided in this letter does not adequately explain the operation of this matter.You refer to "www.hounslow.gov.uk/schoolstreets" I have checked this website and cannot find information relating to the above. Please tell me which of the web entries specifically will provide the necessary information.Reference to "www.tinyurl.com/south chiswick" is made supposedly to provide information on the three schemes.In your letter all references to websites are nothing but obfuscation. Please be more specific about scheme details if you intend to refer to facts.Trial process"Consultation happens during trials"This must mean that trials are based upon designs which do not necessarily meet with information provided by affected residents. If the trials are proved to be flawed where will the money come from to reverse the changes? Objections to several parts of the overall scheme have already been expressed by the emergency services as well as thousands of residents. "Some may feel some measures have unintended or unforeseen consequences and may need to be amended or even removed altogether" This is a statement of the obvious without  any explanation of how redress will be achieved should it prove necessary. Please elucidate.I have provided my feedback on all the schemes as suggested. I await your information regarding the points I have raised.Jeff Cope

Jeffrey Cope ● 2163d

Thanks, Jeffrey, but who is Tom Sharland?

Claire Moran ● 2163d

The signatory to the letter received today.His title is Senior Engineer, for what it is worth.

Jeffrey Cope ● 2163d

He’s the guy who has been given the poisoned chalice of traffic management, post Mark Frost going ‘independent’.

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

I will be interested to see whether Mark Frost (or anyone connected to him) reappear when it comes to the time when the so-called consultation period comes to an end and reports are written.

Jeffrey Cope ● 2163d

Doesn’t matter if he appears or not. No matter what objections, they will say there is full backing and totally ignore any evidence that refutes that.

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

Mark Frost won’t be at the meeting on the 30th I believe.

Bernard Allen ● 2163d

From the Chiswick Calendar The council has always said the traffic restrictions were introduced as a temporary measure and would be reviewed.“We said we would do an interim review within four months” Cllr Lambert told The Chiswick Calendar, “and a final review in six to seven months, though the law allows for 18 months”.The Council has engaged independent transport consultants Steer to carry out a review and report back to them.https://chiswickcalendar.co.uk/lb-hounslow-almost-certain-to-make-changes-to-central-chiswick-traffic-restrictions/

Bernard Allen ● 2163d

Never planned on moving to the country no.

Tony Smart ● 2163d

To paraphrase Hebrews 13:8, : "Jesus Christ it’s the bloody same yesterday, today, and forever bloody more ."

Madeleine Hazard ● 2163d

I've just watched the BBC 10 o'clock news followed by Newsnight for dessert.Given the extraordinary scale of the financial mess we are in - and will be for probably a decade - necessitating really hard choices about where the money goes, I do find it extraordinary that something as frankly self-indulgent as playing with the traffic is getting any funding at all. We are broke folks and you can't eat a traffic cone.

Bruce Hammal ● 2163d

Time you thought about it then as you clearly don't like living in a City

Claire Moran ● 2163d

Below is a link from the Mail online. The hacked off Hackney folk have taken to the streets.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8985577/Vigilantes-trashing-bike-friendly-road-blocks-cameras-amid-drivers-cyclists-war.html

Adrian Irving ● 2163d

That's not what it says.  It says residents only. Anyway, Tony, thought you were going to move to the country which is an idyll for cyclists?  Trying to make London some kind of bucolic Dutch city ain't going to work, matey.Agree. Trouble is, it’s the lettuce leaf brigade who are demanding these senseless changes, socialist ideals are definitely not welcome move to China or Bhutan if it is socialism ideals that one wants to live in. London’s third world overcrowded population is surely at breaking point! It’s now taking an average of 30mins to travel the length of Chiswick HR; complete bonkers. Two minutes at best if the lights are all green.

c james ● 2163d

Looks like these will be the “independent” consultants https://www.steergroup.com/projects/developing-social-distancing-measures-pedestrians-cyclists-south-west-london

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

Is Steer associated with Mark Frost does anyone know ?

Loraine Pemberton ● 2163d

"Is Steer associated with Mark Frost does anyone know ?"I could almost guarantee there will be a connection very soon

Paul Fisher ● 2163d

https://uk.steergroup.com/projects/analysing-new-cycle-routes-londonTake a look. Their analysing seems to have been to stop cyclists and ask, I can't see any reference to any other road user.These people are one and the same who have been appointed to do the new 'independent' report.If only I could have marked my own homework at school those hours languishing in detention would never have happened.

Adrian Irving ● 2163d

this madness has got to stop as i find myself concentrating more on new road layouts rather than the traffic, a complete farce. I agree, shouldn't we spending this money on much more worthwhile causes, reimburse university fees for last year and this year for starters rather than wasting money on stupid cycle lanes which add nothing other than misery and pollution to our lives.Arrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg. I am not one to break the law but boy am i getting close to covering these money making cameras all over our streets.

James Smith-Jones ● 2163d

I remember decades ago when a speed camera went up on the main road from Pinkneys Green to Maidenhead town centre, just before Christmas a local resident put a beautifully Christmas wrapped box over it 🤣 Perhaps we could give LBH's cameras a wee 'festive facelift' ?

Loraine Pemberton ● 2163d

I thought Chiswick was a village?

Tony Smart ● 2163d

Following Bruce's helpful information, I just made two attempts to register my vehicle registration number on LBH's form. Each time, I got to the end of the process and was then told that 'An error has occurred'. It would appear that, apart from imposing draconian penalties on residents who want simply to drive in their own neighbourhoods, (and, of course, changing the name of those neighbourhoods), LBH are also ensuring that information from those same residents cannot actually reach them. This sort of arrogance and chicanery is reminiscent of Orwell's 'Ministry of Truth' in '1984'.

Colin Jordan ● 2163d

Mark Frost new company isDirector at Fern Consulting Services Ltd. Extensive experience working at a senior level in local government. Skilled in Transport Planning, Sustainable Development, Highways and Parking management, Parking Enforcement, Environmental Strategy, Aviation Policy, Urban Planning, Bid Writing, and Health Promotion.

Bernard Allen ● 2163d

The "tinyurl" address does seem to be problematic, even though it's the only one given on the physical letter that has been sent out. I had no problem registering once I had managed to access the website, though that was some time ago - maybe it is not coping with  a rush of applications following the letter! I'm guessing that if  you've had the letter (delivered by Royal Mail) then you're living in a "permitted" road. It doesn't look as though there will be any effort made to automatically add vehicles already registered for a parking permit in zones CS and RV. We can only hope this part of the scheme will have a "soft" introduction given the pig's-ear that has been made of things so far.

Bruce Hammal ● 2163d

Colin...Are you in CPZ CS or RV?If not it’s Room 101.

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

Bruce, that’s how they do it in H&F, all automatic, and they add dvla data for off road parking. Both boroughs use the same software.

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

Russell, I realized that I am not within the sacred zone of Hartington Road, and like most people, I have received no letters or information from LBH, in accordance with their normal non-consultation practice. I just wanted to try to register my car, even if only to receive some sort of rejection letter or email  explaining precisely why I'm not allowed to drive to my home a couple of streets beyond Hartington Road. But LBH appear to have solved the problem for themselves by simply buggering up the registration process.

Colin Jordan ● 2163d

No update I suppose on the CPZ feasibility investigations being carried out by Hounslow? In some ways this Hartswood Road business is the most perplexing of all; supposedly it's to stop non-local traffic entering the area, yet most locals are being penalised! I qualify for a "pass" since I'm in zone CS but I have absolutely no wish to celebrate my good fortune while my neighbours have to put up with unwarranted restrictions.

Bruce Hammal ● 2163d

Not yet Bruce, sent a mail to Cllr John Todd on it after his comment on Staveley. He also saw where they had missed the boat with the WSP solution. We could have an Intellectual Low Traffic Network ILTN in Grove Park, instead of this fiasco. Let’s see if Tom Sharland is allowed to follow this through. I expect he will be blocked by Cllr Curran and the 3 Amigos.

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

Lol an Intelligent one. The current one is an intellectual network, as designed by Sam Beckett.

Russell Pearson ● 2163d

I'm glad you did that update before I started Googling!

Bruce Hammal ● 2163d