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Wow - Petition to Support Vote of No Confidence in Hounslow Council nears 1000

Wow,  this petition started last night has almost reached a 1000 votes of support.I received a link to this petition last night whilst walking back on Chiswick High Road, having got off a bus at Goldhawk Road.  The air pollution was really bad last night as it was getting colder, chocked up with buses and cars.  No room to move and no air to breathe.  Some people say petitions are pointless, but this one seems well thought through.  It is a petition to support a Vote of No Confidence in Steve Curran and his fellow Cabinet members next week as result of the chaos and misery they have brought to the whole of Chiswick.  https://petitions.hounslow.gov.uk/REVERSECHANGES/From comments on social media it appears that there is increasing clarity that the Council has real problems with it's lack of consultation with the Emergency Services and potential conflicts of interest with at least 3 councillors.  I just did a check on local election voting, Steve Curran got less than 2000 votes in 2018 in teh Syon Ward.  What would it say if the Petition got more?

David Riley ● 2184d77 Comments

bump

Chris Blackwell ● 2184d

Signed and passed on to pals, everyone please pass on to your pals Steve Curran needs to know we mean business he can’t railroad Chiswick anymore

Jayne Thorburn ● 2184d

The petition is completely pointless and not thought through at all.By referring to someone signing a petition as a 'vote' you seem to be under the impression that it is a referendum.  It isn't.It claims that the council should reverse road closures 'since April 2020'.This includes Wellesley Rd and Stile Hall Gardens which were closed in June 2020.  There were *three* consultations and a survey prior to these closures.Is the petition claiming the council should overturn result of these consultations?Perhaps Cllr Biddolph who has signed the petition should visit the residents of these streets and tell them why their streets would be so much better with through traffic.

Michael Robinson ● 2184d

****!!

Brian Green ● 2184d

South parade is a residential street now a major artery crazy

Jayne Thorburn ● 2184d

Totally agree the petition is pointless.If local Conservative councillors want Hounslow council to scrap their traffic measures the most effective thing they could do is lobby the Prime Minister to sack Andrew Gilligan.

Paul Corcoran ● 2184d

JT > "South parade is a residential street now a major artery crazy"South Parade is a 'distributor road' -  a numbered B road, the B409. Just like Turnham Green Terrace, the B491.

John Whitworth ● 2184d

Chiswick is going to Hell in a Handcart atthe moment, roads jammed, pedestrians dodging scooters and bikes on the pavements, shops, especially the independents, trading badly. No other part of LB Hounslow has had the number of road closures and restrictions that Chiswick has ! If I'm wrong about that  perhaps someone would tell me ?I lived in the same flat on Chiswick High Road since 1974 and never have I known the traffic as bad as it is today and for past few weeks. I've  also never noticed the air quality so bad as over the same period.We need to make our feelings known to LB Hounslow and its leaders, and in today's dangerous Covid climate the only way is a Petition.Personally I'm sick and tired of being bullied by LBH and the group of hard nosed cyclists. It's  more than time to stand up to being bullied and our quality of life and our democratic rights being eroded !Sorry for my rant, but I feel strongly  about this matter.Regards Loraine

Loraine Pemberton ● 2184d

It may be pointless but at least it shows them how many people are really angry about the state of the roads now.

Michael David Rowe ● 2184d

plus South Parade is a bus route for 94 and 272 for part.

Michael Robinson ● 2184d

Pointless petitions (like this one) simply erode the leverage of petitions in general. Great job.

Gordon McDonald ● 2184d

Hmmm... lobby the Prime Minister to sack an advisor... how did that go with Dominic Cummings... ;)

Michael Robinson ● 2184d

MichaelYou're such a snide person, wonder what made you like that, and your unrelenting and unending digs at Jo Biddolph. You need to chill and get out a bit more 🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️🚴‍♂️

Loraine Pemberton ● 2184d

Michael - you refer to this petition as "pointless". So what would you suggest as an alternative means for local residents to demonstrate their disapproval of LBH's road closures ? No-one in Chiswick is able to vote out the Labour councillors who run LBH, so there is no obvious democratic alternative.

Richard Greenhough ● 2184d

Nothing snide about Michael's comment. He is exactly right. However, at the moment Johnson will look at how this is playing out and see that Labour councils are getting the sole blame for policies devised by his advisor. That means there is zero chance of any change unless Conservatives at a local level stop trying to seek party advantage out of the situation and switch to trying to persuade their own leadership to change course.

Paul Corcoran ● 2184d

I'll repeat. You demand that the person who developed these policies and who is insisting on their implementation be sacked by the Prime Minister who appointed him in the first place.

Paul Corcoran ● 2184d

Don’t you normally get sacked by the head of a political party, even if he did    Give him the job in the first place.I’ve wittiness some very so called non replaceable, untouchable, directors fall from grace, assisted by a size 10 vote from the board of a company.The only thing is to remember to maintain you decency to your fellow man, and not kick him when he’s down.

Bernard Allen ● 2184d

I don't think the PM is able to sack LBH staff and councillors, who were the ones who decided how, where and when to implement these policies. He certainly did not appoint them.

Richard Greenhough ● 2184d

Richard,Please read the government guidance to councils issued in May 2020 and point out which of the measures in Hounslow are not aligned with this guidance.Cycleway 9 along Chiswick High Rd likely wouldn't exist if not for Boris Johnson.  His transport advisor Andrew Gilligan was his 'enforcer' who got things done when Johnson was Mayor and now Gilligan has been appointed to the TfL board.I know it must be embarrassing for Conservative supporters who don't like these changes that the policy and funding came from central government but you are deluding yourself otherwise.Look at it on the bright side - they got Brexit done for you.  Win some, lose some.

Michael Robinson ● 2184d

Michael feels threatened.

David Lesniak ● 2184d

sounds like pot calling!

John Stroud ● 2184d

Just to add Richard, a test of whether the Hounslow measures are aligned with government policy will be allocation of funding from the DfT's next tranche of emergency Covid transport funding, and the ring fenced council allocation for active travel in last week's government settlement with the DfT.If Hounslow get, say, average borough funding or greater than average that is likely to indicate the measures were aligned with government policy and this is being rewarded with funding to do more of the same.

Michael Robinson ● 2184d

Robinson, I wonder if most folk are upset at the High Rd cycling works? I don't know. I'm all for encouraging more cycling and sustainable travel. However I didn't realise until I saw it that a while lane is given over to cycles while a bus that carries far more people is left stuck in traffic.I don't understand the logic behind that!

Basil Finnis ● 2184d

Can I just say for the umpteenth time - and I appreciate this is very difficult for people in Chiswick to understand. But we are ALL having to put up with this nonsense, you are not exclusively the picked on and persecuted. So in that spirit I have passed the petition on, we are ALL p*ssed off with the high-handed, holier than thou posturing of Curran and his acolytes, the traffic in Isleworth is alamost permanently gridlocked, ambulances are finding it extremely diificult to negotiate the road to West Middx. because of the bollards installed to provide a cycle lane - which has hardly seen a a bike!  And cars are banned from various roads so that  all of a sudden loads of people can cycle or walk down them - in your dreams - sending cars on a circular route to get around locally and adding to the traffic. So what's going to hell in a  handcart is the whole borough!

Vanessa Smith ● 2184d

More the same. my god that is scary. Roads are already at breaking point even with less traffic. There is a limit to how many routes can be closed without causing gridlock. The High Road is a mess. And the muppets call for even more of the same.Just because Hounslow can apply for some funding does not mean they should. It was also clear from govnt guidance that there should be full consultations. The decision makes at Hounslow only listen to one lobby group, of which they are members. Interesting

Paul Green ● 2184d

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6To0fvX_wFA

James Smith-Jones ● 2184d

Not sure why you say Michael is feeling threatened.The points he has made on this thread have been 100% accurate. Hounslow is implementing government policy.

Paul Corcoran ● 2184d

!00% correct Vanessa - united the people of Hounslow need to get on the case and speak with one voice - WE HAVE ALL HAD ENOUGH STOP THESE MAD ROAD CLOSURES MUST BE REVERSED & STOPPED!

Jennifer Selig ● 2184d

"Steve Curran got less than 2000 votes in 2018 in teh Syon Ward.  What would it say if the Petition got more?"2,138 people have signed so far since the Petition went up on 4/11.

Loraine Pemberton ● 2183d

great idea any response so far from authorities?

Arnie Devi ● 2183d

In your opinion

John Southey ● 2183d

We need to ensure that the government knows that the councils have not complied with their recommendations and so should not get funding for more  of this madness.

Claire Moran ● 2183d

Agree fully with that comment!  Who should replace Curran - O suppose someone must?  Who are the people, constituents or the Councillors who will select and vote?

Jennifer Selig ● 2183d

As Michael has quite pertinently pointed out Hounslow Council is in line to get further funding from the government for more traffic measures.It is not credible to argue that the borough is in someway deviating from what is required of them by the Department of Transport. These measures are effectively being dictated to them by Andrew Gilligan, Johnson's personal appointee.You could argue that Hounslow could refuse to take the money but these programmes have delivered over £1 million so far at a time when they are desperately short of money. They can't cut costs by sacking the transport team because in the public sector you don't see a cost saving from making staff redundant until a year after getting rid of them. Therefore without these schemes they would be sitting down doing nothing while the money to pay for them would need to come from other departments including social care and education.There also seems to be tacit approval from the government that these schemes can be used as a backdoor to raise revenue through PCNs - a highly regressive way of increasing council revenue. By the time all the appeals are done there is likely to be an extra £500,000 in the bank for Hounslow and this extra revenue stream is something that local authorities are now benefitting from. This will ultimately reduce the amount of funding central government needs to give them.There is no doubt that some Hounslow councillors are enthusiastic proponents of these schemes although their fervour seems to diminish when it comes to implementing them in their own wards. Certainly they haven't dared implement a primarily revenue driven schemes like the one on Turnham Green Terrace anywhere outside Chiswick. How much of the enthusiasm is down to genuine anti-car zealotry and how much to a private awareness of the desperate financial situation of the borough is hard to know. One thing that is clear is that the Department of Transport across the country have not intervened when boroughs have concentrated these schemes in areas where the majority of residents have had the temerity not to vote for them. They are probably quite happy that at this stage nearly everybody is blaming their local council for the mess these measures are creating and the true culprit is getting away with it. Until Andrew Gilligan becomes a political liability to Boris Johnson these radical transport schemes are going to proliferate.

Paul Corcoran ● 2183d

"Who are the people, constituents or the Councillors who will select and vote?"The Labour councillors.

Richard Greenhough ● 2183d

"MichaelYou're such a snide person"At least he didn't tell anyone he hopes they get covid recently. Would take a real snide person to say that to someone huh.

Tony Smart ● 2183d

Are you saying I said that ? If so prove it !

Loraine Pemberton ● 2183d

Whilst recognising that LTNs are a source of bitter disagreement they are part of a wider Government initiative being implemented at a local level by councils. During the planning phase local councillors campaigned to retain  pavment space (not an inch of pavement - Councillor Biddolph) meaning the cycle path is now largely  taking road space. Combating pollution and climate change is not an option - we will all need to make sacrifices and reducing car usage is a small one! Cars cause congestion not LTNs.For Conservative Councillor to move a motion of no confidence in the Council during the current pandemic is shamefully opportunistic - Trump would be proud of it. There are some good hard working councillors in Chiswick, but sadly they are overshadowed by others who are motivated by selfish small minded pettiness. To quote the leader of the Labour Group:We utterly reject the Tories’ attempts to sow discord when unity is needed. Now more than ever, people in Hounslow want to see councillors from both parties working together to support them in these unprecedented times. It’s a shame that in bringing forward this motion the Tories are putting their own interests above those of our residents. We would much rather be working with them to support our most vulnerable residents and protect the 40,000 jobs that could be lost as a result of the threat to the airline industry. Instead, the Conservatives are more interested in acting the Nasty Party. They are, as always, behind the curve.

John Stroud ● 2183d

"To quote the leader of the Labour Group:We utterly reject the Tories’ attempts to sow discord when unity is needed. Now more than ever, people in Hounslow want to see councillors from both parties working together to support them in these unprecedented times."Given that the discord is a result of the local Labour Party's hamfisted road closure programme, which may be their way of carrying out central government policy but fails miserably to take into account local feelings, that statement is straight out of the DumbAss Donald playbook. If you tend to vote by post in Hounslow elections, beware!

Richard Greenhough ● 2183d

Have you all used the consultation link provided on the borough's website? A good first step to demonstrating dissatisfaction with the changes.

Billie Smith ● 2183d

Over 2,500 signatures in just a couple of days. Impressive.

Michael Dempsey ● 2183d

I do wonder how many people just rant on here instead of giving the feedback that they are supposed to be giving in the way that they are supposed to be giving it?

Philippa Bond ● 2183d

JohnWas that quote really from Curran?It's appalling. He needs a new speech writer - maybe you?It's just a mish-mash of the favourite political platitudes over the last year and nothing to do with LTN's.What has being opposed to the Chiswick LTN's got to do with the Covid crisis?However, I do agree with one of your points. The Tory campaign to not give up an inch of pavement or tree was a bad tactic. If it really meant that we ended up with the C9 the way it is, then they screwed up. However, I suspect the zealots in TFL always planned this and the Tory campaign had no impact. But, saying "Cars cause congestion not LTN's" is like saying rain causes floods not poor river management.

Richard Potts ● 2183d

For John Stroud - You realize that quote is utter bullshit. Curran has never not once worked with any Chiswick Councillors. If he cared so much, why isn't one of our or any Conservative councillors sitting on his Cabinet. And who could forget his ranting and finger pointing at Ron Mushiso for being unprofessional? Throwing a tantrum calling out unprofessionalism? Oh the irony. Utterly appalling behavior.The digging in of heels and antagonism should be ushered out the door along with Jeremy Corbyn. One down, several to go...Curran doesn't give a rat's ass about the residents of Chiswick. Ditto the businesses. As for being behind the curve - Curran did absolutely nothing to support businesses during the first lockdown and now again for the second. He and LBH had no clear path on how to help the hospitality sector for July re-opening and the Eat Out scheme. Every single other borough in London had a plan. Hounslow had nothing.

David Lesniak ● 2182d

Having been a Labour voter and supporter all my life and at one time a member for nigh on 30 years, I hardly recognise this council or the local party anymore.I have been at several meetings where the glorious Leader has 'done a Trump' and thrown his toys out of the pram. Locally he has done sod all for Isleworth preferring instead to cosy up to the local aristocracy, in their quest to take back allotments that have been cultivated for over 100 years so that the Duke of Northumberland can build on them. This in spite of the fact that local people pushed them to a public inquiry which the estate lost and after a lot of pressure was put on members of the planning committee to refuse planning permission for this scheme. Now back they come and there have been several closed meetings between the estate and the Leader with planning officers in tow - no Minutes taken or available via an FOI. Labour council? Really? The great one has also declined to support the local amenity society's renewal of the allotment's designation as an Asset of Community Value. This is not a council Leader it is a local petty dictator, with a bunch of pretty gutless colleagues who seem to forget they were elected to represent US.

Vanessa Smith ● 2182d

Do hope more people sign this.Of course it is not just Hounslow Council to blame, it is also the Government.  Together they are destroying Chiswick.  Pray that something can be done.

Rae Lewis ● 2182d

And have those 2,500 people actually bothered to give the feedback they have been requested to give on the link given?Or are they just reacting to their own irritation at a change  in their routines?  I bet they haven't.

Philippa Bond ● 2182d

Superb support AGAINST these damaging and crazy measures in just a few days !

Loraine Pemberton ● 2182d

I see the Labour MP for Ealing has had a really big push in Parliament against the LTN's imposed on residents of S.Ealing.  How come OUR MP, Labour RUTH CADBURY didn't stand up and express the views of her Hounslow constituents?  Stoney silence from her!!!

Jennifer Selig ● 2182d

Pretty obvious why Not working for you,but herself in this case. Personal opinions count more than those she represents. Keep the pressure on the issues up and it will roll over to when the council elections come up and the next general election. Dont think the issue is going away for some time 5 May 2022 council elections

Julian Pavey ● 2182d

And yet you dislike me having a go at Labour, Vanessa ? I'm afraid that Sontaran Steve is fairly typical of the party when it has unchallenged control, not a deviation from the norm.

Richard Greenhough ● 2182d

Rupa Huq is my MP and on 95% of issues I agree with her views.  I am in the Southfield (Ealing) part of Chiswick, which includes part of Fisher's Lane. She listens to her constituents far more than do any of the others, represents them well in parliament, and always replies to my emails.  There are, as always, a few issues on which I don't agree with her, but her heart is in the right place when it comes to democracy, the vulnerable, women's rights, animals etc.

Claire Moran ● 2182d

Rupa Huq is a good MP and has a balanced view on most issues.Ealing Council have, like Hounslow tended to concentrate these schemes in areas based on political considerations rather than traffic management ones. They haven't been as brazen as Hounslow which seems to be doing most in Chiswick (certainly the ones that are going to generate lots of revenue through fines) but Ealing don't have a concentration of opposition wards.There was a party vote of no confidence in the leader of Ealing Council which was very close and most of those voting against him were in wards that were suffering from LTNs. These have tended to be implemented in wards in the central part of the borough which have councillors who are either in opposition or not in the leader's inner circle. Labour have such a big majority they can afford to sacrifice a few seats.These wards are also in Rupa Huq's constituency so she knows that the council's policy is going to do her electoral damage. Right from the get go she was against the schemes calling one 'madcap' but the council are pressing ahead regardless. It seems likely that a rift is developing between her and Julian Bell the council leader.

Anita Blake ● 2181d

'And yet you dislike me having a go at Labour, Vanessa ? I'm afraid that Sontaran Steve is fairly typical of the party when it has unchallenged control, not a deviation from the norm.'It's known as not tarring everybody with the same brush. Locally they are a mess by and large and it certainly isn't the party I joined so many years ago. A decent opposition would be nice though - we may well wait in vain. And you overlook the fact that the government of the day is not above playing fast and loose with things when it suits, and they do because they can.

Vanessa Smith ● 2181d

... to reach 4,000 signatures https://petitions.hounslow.gov.uk/REVERSECHANGES/

Loraine Pemberton ● 2180d

It's heading towards 4,000 signatures - do hope it can get a few more today.

Rae Lewis ● 2180d

This is a significant amount of signatures for a local issue, I have spread the word to our local pals please everyone do the same. This is the only possible way we can send a message to Steve Curran, Chiswick is not here for him to ignore and do as he pleases. We the residents want our say on how to improve Chiswick as he clearly has not idea! all the current measures are to the detriment of the area and everyone who lives here or surrounding area.

Jayne Thorburn ● 2180d

All vdry well but Steve Curran's friends are not going to vote him out and in consequence themselves out of a job.  Many of those Labour Councillors see it as a job for life - there are 3 people from one family who are all Councillors!  Do they sign them on at birth, bit like trying for a place at Eton I suppose, got to get in early.

Jennifer Selig ● 2180d

Well over 4000 signatures now - only a few hours left.  Sign the petition at :- https://petitions.hounslow.gov.uk/REVERSECHANGES/

David Lovegrove ● 2180d

Number of people entailed to vote in 3 Chiswick wards approximately 25,000 - so are we safe to assume, provided all those who signed live in Chiswick,  21,000 not unhappy.  Given the widespread publicity for the petition Democracy in action !

John Stroud ● 2179d

Yes, even ignoring that the petition is signed by people who do not live in the 3 Chiswick wards, that is a fair conclusion and the numbers tally with the 3 polls and the government’s repeated statements that they know that the majority of people support reallocation of road space to walking and cycling.

Paul Campbell ● 2179d

Oh look, more pathetic misinformation from the usual suspects. Given that voter turnout in a general election rarely tops 40% and in local elections its probably less than half of that, comparing a petition to the local population is pretty desperate stuff.As for saying its signed by people who dont live in Chiswick, representing an organisation that floods all consultations with responses from across the country that is pretty rich.There was a poll of purely local residents in local wards that showed 75% wanted Fishers Lane reopened. Studiously ignored by all the lobbyists. I am sure you are intelligent enough to realise that general polls that ask people if they would like less traffic are irrelevant. Just like all the Heathrow polls that said we want more planes. Please grow up.

Paul Green ● 2179d

Paul G-The goal is simply to undermine any "other" voice. Not to listen. Not to evolve. Not to mature. Not to engage.Undermine. But as I said elsewhere, populism died on Saturday. Paul Campbell et al will get the memo eventually.

David Lesniak ● 2179d

Paul C and John Stroud are right. The popularity and usefulness of the council's measures should be tested by a binding local vote as suggested by local Labour MP Rupa Huq. Nobody could object to that, could they?

Francis Rowe ● 2179d

"The popularity and usefulness of the council's measures should be tested by a binding local vote"This will show the popularity and usefulness among locals. Which may initially lead to a disaster and later may (or may not) improve if (if!) the locals are asked again. It is very closely related to populism.

Alex Shpinkov ● 2179d

The reality is that although this petition may not alter things, anyone worth their salt would at least take notice - think we might be in for a long wait for the glorious Leader to do that. I have never in all the years I can remember known anything like this - yes, we all criticise the local council from time to time - that goes with the territory, but for a Leader to be that unpopular is something else. It's also the case that has already been made that the 4000 odd is only a fraction of the electorate, but people tend only to get out of their prams when things directly affect them, if we all took more notice, more often of what is happening locally it  might - and it is a big might - be able to intervene sooner and change things?As it is there is nothing stopping local groups putting up their own candidates at the next council elections, even one per ward across the borough could make a difference. It really needs people prepared to get together and organise themselves, there is time. Otherwise I doubt much will change - the make up of the council will pretty much stay as it is - as there won't be an alternative apart from the two parties we have now.

Vanessa Smith ● 2179d

Not sure I follow your point Alex. Are you suggesting the people of Chiswick aren't competent enough to make a decision of this nature?

Francis Rowe ● 2179d

What has the number of people signing the petition got to do with anything.  A huge number of people suffering will be the elderly who may well not have a computer.  The fact is anyone with eyes and half a brain must see the current measures are not working for anyone. Particularly the emergency services, or does that not matter????.  Even cyclists are not happy, some are even asking for MORE money to be thrown at it, that says it all really doesn't it.

Maggie Dodge ● 2179d

In Chiswick we often 70% in GE just so you know

John Stroud ● 2179d

Maggie so your leap of faith is that many of those who did not reply are anti?? Hmm...

John Stroud ● 2179d

The inescapable fact is that Chiswick has no effective voice at either local or national level. It is beyond unfortunate that we have Conservative councillors who are powerless at council decision-making level, while ironically in Parliament we depend on two Labour MPs who are also voices in the wilderness of opposition. It doesn't help of course that one of them has a personal conviction that overrides the views of constituents whose opinion differs from her own. It's no wonder that we resort to petitions - they are the last desperate cry of the disenfranchised.

Bruce Hammal ● 2179d

So John, would you endorse Rupa Huq's idea that whether or not to persist with these schemes should be decided by a local vote?

Francis Rowe ● 2179d

Even those of us with supposed Labour councillors aren't any better off. Two of ours have been mostly on the missing list practically since they were elected, so that leaves us with one who does his best.I think the question is why these people wanted to be councillors in the first place, apart from the money and the ego trip.

Vanessa Smith ● 2179d

Bruce - your point is fair but the majority (not all) of Chiswick Councillors make no attempt to work with the Council they see themselves as an opposition whose job it is to defeat the council rather than work with them for the betterment of the area. Equally it is worth remembering that our local  MPs represent their entire constituency not just Chiswick

John Stroud ● 2179d

As I understand it although there have been fewer road closures and similar measures in the Brentford and Isleworth areas and certainly no cameras fining local people on an industrial scale, there has been widespread opposition to the schemes that are being implemented. Also, there was no attempt made to implement a temporary Cycleway 9 scheme through Brentford even though the area was included in the original design. This does not seem to have raised any complaints locally about Chiswick being unduly favoured.Some might conclude that Ruth Cadbury is gambling with her electoral future by being an enthusiast for these schemes. We perhaps should admire her bravery in sticking to her convictions in doing so but wouldn't it be better for her to do as her neighbouring Labour MP Rupa Huq has done and suggest that the continuance of these schemes should be decided by local vote?

Francis Rowe ● 2179d

John, of course I understand that the MPs have duties to all their constituents. However I'm afraid that unlike Rupa Huq, Ruth Cadbury seems deaf to the protests of her W4 constituents on this matter. I can tell you from personal experience that so far she has refused to engage in a meaningful manner on the subject. She is also far too closely allied with Hounslow House for my liking. Frankly  I couldn't care less about the political colour of my representatives, but I am more and more convinced that large majorities, whether in Parliament or local government, are not conducive to responsible decision-making. We need our representatives to be nervous - it's the only way to remind them who's boss!

Bruce Hammal ● 2179d

"of Chiswick Councillors make no attempt to work with the Council..."Sorry John but you've got it the wrong way round, it's The Great and the Bad at LBH make zero attempt to work with Chiswicks Councillors !

Loraine Pemberton ● 2179d