"Exactly, also a lot of people say they are not socialising yet, it's obvious to me that is why there are less deaths now."Janice, please, I find it hard to reply to that comment respectfully because it has no credibility whatsoever. The vast majority of people are 'socialising', so many people have going on staycations, are piling into restaurants to eat out to help out and we've all seen the images of crowded beaches, camp sites and so forth. And obviously the level of movement is far greater than it was when the lockdown was in effect from late March to early June, yet at that time the daily infection rate and daily death rate was off the scale compared to current levels.That's why the level of new cases in both this country and other European countries has been rising again for several weeks now. But why aren't death rates increasing proportionately too ? - none of us know the answer, but the statistics show they're not.Turning to Steve's post, I'm pleased he used the words 'morally correct', because I couldn't agree with him more that if everything else is disregarded and all we consider is morals then that is correct.Unfortunately, I don't live in Xanadu, I live on Earth.In utopia, everyone can stay at home and stay safe until our wonderful rulers give us all a tablet or injection that permanently eliminates all risk of anyone getting covid, there's absolutely no danger of the virus mutating or become resistant to the vaccine, and that vaccine is 100% safe.Everyone has a beautiful big home so they don't need to interact with other humans outside their front door, everyone's job or employers enable them to work from home and stay away from other people, and the technology to enable you to do so is perfect no matter which part of the country you live. Money isn't an issue because everyone has endless amounts of money, or because our rulers ensure that everyone (and I mean everyone) is given the financial support they need without ever having to pay it back. Everyone you need you can purchase online, no matter were you live or what you need, and its delivered right to your door.A small proportion of people inhabit that existence, but most of the population don't. That's where the selfishness comes in - "hey, I'm in the fortunate position where I can stay at home until all this is over, so I'm going to tell everyone to do the same". Personally, I could do precisely that, but the world doesn't revolve around me and nor do I want or expect it to.The fundamental question is whether or not containment, be it on a local or national level, in the form of quarantine or lockdowns, is effective when the benefits are weighed against the harm. In my view it isn't, because if it was we wouldn't be seeing an increase in cases across most countries. But if death rates aren't increasing in most countries (and there are obvious exceptions such as Brazil, India, US, Ukraine and Romania to name a few) then aren't we getting to the stage where the vast majority of people who might now get covid are going to be no more ill than if they got a bad cold or the flu ?.But again, where we are in complete agreement is that the alternative is a forced vaccination programme.
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