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Left turn into TGT from the High rd

This has probably been covered in other threads, but there is absolutely no visible signage by the traffic lights outside Snappy Snaps to warn drivers that there is no left turn. There is signage at the end of TGT if you are approaching from the south and are face on, but these are not visible from the high rd. There needs to be a no left turn sign and road markings, otherwise there is no possible way that a driver would know. The car in front of me indicated left & turned into TGT. Surely it can not be enforceable without any warning?

Gina Thomas ● 2298d22 Comments

Something certainly isn't working properly, based on the number of cars I watched this afternoon turning into the south end of TGT from CHR from both directions, as well as driving straight across from Annandale. The 'no motor vehicle' signs are set back a few yards from the junction but there are a couple of 'no left/right turn' signs in CHR as you approach the junction. It certainly doesn't help that visually, the junction appears unaltered, and it was most revealing how many drivers were simply not seeing the signs or responding to them. The old left and right turn arrows are still there on the approaching roads, while the least you'd expect is a bold NO ACCESS to be painted on the road. This scheme clearly isn't delivering it's intended purpose of removing through traffic from TGT for the benefit of pedestrians and cyclists. Quietly clocking up hundreds of CCTV penalty notices only provides proof of its failure.

Peter Evans ● 2298d

Same coming along Bath Road. No signage to say turning left is going to get you fined. The only sign is when you have turned left and it's too late because, as a driver, you are watching the mini roundabout and all the pedestrians & not looking at signs.Loads of money. Hopefully they will spend it wisely.

Richard Potts ● 2298d

Richard, there is a small sign at the end of Bath Road by the Pub.....but they have hidden it right behind the bus stop so that it can't be seen.  Crafty or what!

Cindy Carloss ● 2298d

At the north end of TGT it's not at all obvious what's been changed either.  Something painted on the road like NO ACCESS would help, as well removing the mini-roundabout, moving the 'No Motor Vehicles' sign further forward, and painting big white arrows on the road to show where the traffic should now go.

Peter Evans ● 2298d

Is it time to call in the Councillors ????

Maureen Yakoubi ● 2298d

At 4pm ish this afternoon...I'm sure I recognised Cllr Guy Lambert..the Borough's Cabinet Member for Highways cycling up and down TGT and crossing CHR from Annadale and Devonshire...and probably having a look around.Whether he checked the signage...I don't know...I was busy finishing off my Foubert's iced cream.

Jim Lawes ● 2298d

Perhaps we all need to go and graffiti the area with no entry signs. I feel so sorry for the unaware. And try walking along there socially distanced now and you may find lots of people congregating. Must be making a fortune.

Caroline Carrington ● 2298d

It could be that the 'Low flying motorbike' NO MOTOR VEHICLES Except for.. signs need upgrading to 'NO ENTRY Except for..' Several research studies have shown that NO ENTRY is one of the most recognised and obeyed road signs, while the Flying Motorbike sign generates far less recognition and respect, as witnessed at TGT this afternoon.

Peter Evans ● 2298d

Does anyone know if the proposed penalties have started?

Linda Bright ● 2298d

According to last week's Chiswick newsletter they have but only if an enforcement vehicle with cameras is on the road - no fixed cameras are in place as yet.

Mark Evans ● 2297d

What, exactly closing TGT is supposed to achieve? Except penalising the traders and creating more traffic jam elsewhere.

Sophie Atkinson ● 2297d

I'm sure one of the regulars will be along to tell you soon.

Bruce Hammal ● 2297d

Fines have been issued.  We have lobbied hard about the inadequate and wrongly placed signage but were told the signs are legal; however, it is looking to relocate the one on Bath Road (where we used to be able to turn left into Turnham Green Terrace). I have said that fines should not be issued until the signs have been improved and that those already issued should be cancelled.  Please tell Hounslow council what you think: https://haveyoursay.hounslow.gov.uk/traffic-and-transport/streetspace-feedback/

Joanna Biddolph ● 2297d

Ask your Conservative Councillors why the Conservative government signed off and funded the scheme when they have rejected lots of other applications from Councils especially over at the Conservative run Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea.

Paul Campbell ● 2297d

And here's the first of them!

Bruce Hammal ● 2297d

Yes I deliberately didn’t explain the rationale as it is freely available and pointless constantly repeating. Better for the local government reps to explain to their angry voters why their government is funding it.

Paul Campbell ● 2297d

I tuned in to the Hounslow cabinet question time session during the week. I asked how long they would take to review objections to the new measures and got the following reply from the moderator.“Experimental traffic orders have a statutory 6 month period when objections must be considered. A decision must be made within 18 months on whether to make permanent” So we may not get a decision until July 2022!It was Ronald Reagan who once said that nothing lasts longer than a temporary government program!

Geoff Hoddinott ● 2297d

SophieThe object is make it so painful to travel by car that we all give up and take the bus, walk or pedal.The majority of these road closures have absolutely nothing to do with making it easier/safer to cycle or walk. It's all about creating jams and slowing traffic down.Closing roads is the cheapest way to achieve this. Which they believe will  lead to less cars and hitting the Co2 targets.Unfortunately - if you live by one of the few routes that remain open your future  life will be one of exhaust fumes and traffic jams.If you're one of the businesses on TGT - best close now.A more sensible "test" would have been to trial this at weekends only. Then have the consulatation on whether to extend or stop. But then that would need decision makers to give a damn.

Richard Potts ● 2297d

There was a bloke up a ladder this morning adjusting the angle of the sign at the top of TGT East side.I guess to make less obscure to East bound traffic.Still obscure enough of course to rake in the cash.

Adrian Irving ● 2295d

I emailed my Councillor about the closure of TGT  and the proposed closure of Fishers Lane to register my objections to the North and South areas of Chiswick being made very difficult to access one from the other.  He gave me this email address for residents to write to and express their views on these closures, so I urge you to do the same so they are not made permanent after the crisis is over.  COVIDtransport@ealing.gov.uk

Jane Rudolph ● 2295d

It’s ridiculous. It means there is no way to cross North to South between  Chiswick Park and Stamford Brook and will cause huge traffic build up in residential areas surrounding. I’ve emailed - whether it has any effect or is even replied to is another issue. The signage around TGT is not clear at all - evidenced by plenty of cars still using it.

Alice Sheridan ● 2295d

I encountered the signs at TGT for the first time today. I had driven along South Parade and was turning left into Bath Road, heading ultimately for Bayswater. I was curious to see what the signage for TGT was like, and have to say that if I had not been aware of it beforehand, having read about it on this site, I think I would probably have missed it. Coming back later, at the same roundabout, I saw the sign, but an awkwardly-placed bus would have rendered it invisible if I had been turning left into TGT. The mini-roundabout at this junction is a busy area, and one's attention is easily taken up by keeping an eye open for pedestrians, cyclists and other motorists, and in my opinion these signs need to be much more prominent, possibly displayed in different colours, such as yellow and black. Still, they probably generate a good income for LBH, so perhaps a new motto would be in order: 'Parva Signa, Multa Pecunia' - 'Small signs mean big bucks'.

Colin Jordan ● 2294d