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See Damian Green Tory M.P. for Ashford is complaining that Brexit is unfair to his constituents because it is the site for the 27 acre plot holding spot for up to 10,000 lorries. Apparently it's too near too many homes. That fact that his constituents voted 59.86% in favour in the 2016 referendum seems to have escaped him. I think it's fair to say there's not a lot of sympathy for whingers now. After what was it? Ah- yes - 'Brexit means Brexit' - tough.

Vanessa Smith ● 2303d51 Comments

To be fair to Damian Green, in the debate on the referendum bill he argued strongly in favour of staying, and apparently voted to remain in the referendum itself. So he can be allowed a little whinge.

Robert Fish ● 2303d

You're absoltely right about you whingers. If you're looking for sympathy, you'll now find it in a dictionary, somewhere between sh*t and syphilis.

Roger Talbot ● 2303d

Hilarious!

Brian Coyle ● 2303d

Good for Damian Green. But his constituents will get what they deserve. People always do.

Alex Shpinkov ● 2303d

"staying, and apparently voted to remain in the referendum itself."But then he changed his mind and supported wet and wobbly May and her 'Brexit means Brexit mantra'All reasonable Brexiteers will regret what they voted for.The hard line right wingers and racists will continue to defend it and gloat about their 'win' whilst the Country sinks into financial oblivion and the poor get poorer..

Steve Taylor ● 2303d

We all know that the Brexit supporters struggle to present a valid case for their cause but these last two posts are truly shaming for them. We all respect logic, evidence and insight. These Brexit fans offer none of that. No surprise really. This thread is about the irony that a part of the country that was strongly in favour of Brexit in 2016 is now bleating about the consequences of Brexit on their doorstep. It is a tiny example of how the lies of the leave campaign are now both exposed and also biting the bum of people who bought these lies. More will follow. And more childish retorts from despairing Brexit voters will also follow. Let’s call them out for what they are.

Alan Clark ● 2303d

.....or maybe it's time to stop scoring points, try and put our differences behind us, let go of the "I told you so" mantra and start trying to work together to pull us through the tough times ahead.The road ahead is not in the rear view mirror.

Adrian Irving ● 2303d

Dont tell those who have become irrelevant,they might just  get a tad upset.Ed Davey and Co springs to mind.

Julian Pavey ● 2303d

Let us examine that logic. 1) The Brexit referendum campaign to leave was based on a premise that went: leaving will be painless and easy; frictionless trade will continue; they need us more than we need them; a great new deal is therefore going to happen. 2) There was and even more clearly is now evidence that all that is false. The opposite is the most likely outcome. Those who have supported Brexit have determined to ignore this and continually tried to dismiss this, even in the face of such evidence. This is gloating in the face of a disaster. 3) The UK can still, at this point, accept EU standards and gain a deal that allows frictionless trade. 4) Our government does plan to do that. There is very little complaint about its approach even though it will create “tough times ahead”5) You suggest I stop complaining and muck in to help, alongside the very people who have actively supported and enabled this mess. 6) You have got to be joking, right?

Alan Clark ● 2302d

7) No

Paul Fisher ● 2302d

8) NO

Julian Pavey ● 2302d

I missed a point out. In item '6' I meant to mention that there is a big problem for me to 'muck in' and help sort the mess others have created. This problem is that those who have supported and enabled this mess are absolutely refusing to acknowledge how much of a mess this is, and are definitely not taking any responsibility for their role in creating this mess. None. As witnessed by the last two pathetic and empty-of-thought posts. This is a mess you supported, so you need to own it. Do not bleat when others point out that you should have seen this coming, and you should be humbly accepting the errors of judgement you made before you ask for help.

Alan Clark ● 2302d

I thought Boris had an oven ready deal ready to be put in the microwave... at least that was his election mantra. Lets leave the EU with that!

Paul Scullion ● 2302d

Alan, nobody has to answer to you

Paul Fisher ● 2302d

"oven ready deal" Oh,never come accross that one before Im bored already See you later

Julian Pavey ● 2302d

Of course nobody has to answer, but their silence speaks volumes.Unfortunately it seems to be unarguable that the Brexit project is not going well to put it mildly. Or would someone like to argue otherwise?  So quite how we pro-Europeans are supposed to ‘muck in’ I’m not at all sure.For my part I hope we get a really good deal with the E.U. that, as far as possible, retains all the advantages that we had as members.

Alastair Banton ● 2302d

“Nobody has to answer to you”Well of course not. This is a forum for dialogue and sharing of views. The normal approach is to agree, ignore or offer an alternative perspective. Not to “answer to someone”. I would note however, in the past the alternative viewpoint to my stance on Brexit has been (from you and others):They need us more than we need them, so a great deal will be easy. This scaremongering on the cost and pain of Brexit is only that; project fear. It is in everyone’s interest to retain frictionless trade so that will continue. Fantastic and fantastically beneficial deals with non EU countries will be rapidly put in place. And then latterly, there will be no problems with trading on WTO terms. Care to continue to promote these claims and to provide a different perspective to my serious doubts? (See, I’m not asking for you to answer to me. Just for insight I must lack.)

Alan Clark ● 2302d

Oh dear Alan, I have more reason than most to be aggrieved by the result however it is what it is.You can either continue to bang on and on making points that will change nothing of you can, for once, say something constructive and deal with the here and now or you bleat on about how things might have been. Your problem is no one is listening to you anymore.

Adrian Irving ● 2302d

'Business faces £7bn a year Brexit red-tale bill in Gove border plan'.Just part of the cost of 'taking back control' ©Michael Gove, 2016.

Ken Munn ● 2302d

"start trying to work together to pull us through the tough times ahead."Nope. That is called surrender or even cowardice.

Steve Taylor ● 2302d

"You can either continue to bang on and on making points that will change nothing" "Your problem is no one is listening to you anymore."Aaah yes. Without wishing to invoke Godwin's Law, that attitude reminds me of the March 1933 election result in Germany. People ARE listening to Alan and long may he continue to remind people of 2016 and how the British people voted themselves into poverty and hardship. And long may he hold the politicians accountable for the mess and remind our children and grand children to spit on their graves!! 

Steve Taylor ● 2302d

Actually we are pleased as punch that we have left the EU and better still that there is likely to be no deal.  We are overjoyed that we are now 'taking back control' from unelected nonentity bureaucrats.  Bring it on!

V Killick ● 2302d

Steve, try taking up kintting.

Adrian Irving ● 2302d

Knitting even.Creative, calming, productive.

Adrian Irving ● 2302d

Do people want reminding now what they posted years ago becasue the media or a person mentioned it. Becasue much will make you laugh. As im here,its covid that stopped the planes flying not Brexit. Thats just one while i was on the subject of plaes on another thread. Should i revisit some of the other claims ?

Julian Pavey ● 2302d

Who is trying to change the historical record?  Why?

Philippa Bond ● 2302d

"Steve, try taking up kintting."Why? Because YOU want to give up and surrender?  Not in my nature to back away from a problem.I will never subscribe to the weak and wet mantra "We are where we are"It's a lazy and pathetic cop out! 

Steve Taylor ● 2302d

At the risk of getting (metaphorically) screamed at and/or being insulted, I have to say I'm with Steve on this. Brexit is going to be an even bigger disaster that it already was, in a country that has been devastated economically by Covid_19. Already it is starting to unravel with all the form filling exporters/importers are going to have to do, not to mention border bureaucracy and massive lorry parks in a constituency that voted for this stupid decision. Not so funny now is it, I just love it - the biter bit! But, hey - what was it? Oh yes 'we knew what we were voting for' - really? A 10,000 capacity lorry park - couldn't have happened to nicer people.

Vanessa Smith ● 2302d

No Steve, it's reality. Denial of the facts will get you nowhere.Vanessa, I  know all what you say is true but how does it help to move forward?

Adrian Irving ● 2302d

"We are overjoyed that we are now 'taking back control' from unelected nonentity bureaucrats."Ah, you'll be thinking of people like Dominic Cummings and David Frost then.

Ken Munn ● 2302d

But we've 'elected' to move backwards. Nostalgia here we come.

Ken Munn ● 2302d

Just seen this taken from 'Private Eye'Sir,As we have at last succeeded in casting off the shackles of the EU I think this historic occasion should be marked in some special way. I would like ot propose, therefore, that in honour of this glorious victory the country should be re-named The Free United Kingdom and henceforth its citizens should be known as Free United Kingdomers (With independent Trading Status) or FUKWITS. I hope your esteemed publication will add its considerable weight to my proposal.Stuary AcklandMilton Keynes.

Vanessa Smith ● 2302d

That is brilliant!

Steve Taylor ● 2302d

And ..............

Julian Pavey ● 2302d

No reply. Instead some dull wits suggesting that we simply move on. (Oh, and suggesting we pitch in to help with this f**k fest of an idea.)From this I assume that we all now understand that Brexit is a disaster of our own making. But that a few cannot move away from the anti-EU thinking. Thus, stabbing our economic selves in the face is better than admitting we were wrong. The thinking of a child. I truly despair.

Alan Clark ● 2302d

"And .............."And...... what??

Steve Taylor ● 2301d

why hasn't Anna Soubry stepped up to the bat?Described by the Taylor/Clark cabal as a National Saviour, where is she now?

James Roy ● 2301d

Show me the quote where I cite Soubry as a national saviour. You are the original idiot. You shame my home country.

Alan Clark ● 2300d

Feck me the defeatism of some people on this thread is depressing. Brexit is just as reversible as it has been to enact. Actually way more so. Far easier to bin the crap legislation of Cummings, Gove, Gray, Raab, Patel et al. and replace with what their better predecessors had enacted without the spectre of the pitchforks. The next generations know that isolationism is shite and they reject the nostalgic fetishism of their elders. They say “keep your early 70s 3 day weeks and spam you boomers”. Brexit is a moment in time, a cry from the generation that has had it all. It will pass before most of them turn for the last on their pillows of bitter tears.

Paul Campbell ● 2300d

Feck me the defeatism of some people on this thread is depressing. Brexit is just as reversible as it has been to enact. Actually way more so. Far easier to bin the crap legislation of Cummings, Gove, Gray, Raab, Patel et al. and replace with what their better predecessors had enacted without the spectre of the pitchforks. The next generations know that isolationism is shite and they reject the nostalgic fetishism of their elders. They say “keep your early 70s 3 day weeks and spam you boomers”. Brexit is a moment in time, a cry from the generation that has had it all. It will pass before most of them turn for the last on their pillows of bitter tears.

Paul Campbell ● 2300d

Feck me the defeatism of some people on this thread is depressing. Brexit is just as reversible as it has been to enact. Actually way more so. Far easier to bin the crap legislation of Cummings, Gove, Gray, Raab, Patel et al. and replace with what their better predecessors had enacted without the spectre of the pitchforks. The next generations know that isolationism is shite and they reject the nostalgic fetishism of their elders. They say “keep your early 70s 3 day weeks and spam you boomers”. Brexit is a moment in time, a cry from the generation that has had it all. It will pass before most of them turn for the last on their pillows of bitter tears.

Paul Campbell ● 2300d

Sorry for repeating myself! Internet malfunction.

Paul Campbell ● 2300d

Unfortunately, it is not just a moment in time for the 60 or so people who will lose their jobs in the next few months (with very little prospects of finding another job) at the London branch of (yet another) European bank that I am currently closing down. Just one of many. And these are not the mega earning multi millionaire bankers - just ordinary people - managers, clerks, secretaries etc.Nor for the young people whose career prospects are being curtailed, including many young lawyers who will not be "kept on" by their firms when qualifying this September, because of Brexit, after at least six years of study and work.And that's before we get onto the tidal wave of unemployment that will sweep across the manufacturing sector (particularly automotive) if we don't get a deal (which now appears to have been the plan all along).Brexit is not only politically and economically stupid, but down right evil. People's lives are, and will be destroyed.Every job lost is a personal tragedy for the person involved, and his or her dependents.

T P Howell ● 2300d

"Show me the quote where I cite Soubry as a national saviour."It was me and I stand by it. If only she had been given a chance. She stood up against the despots for what she believed in rather than succumb to the bullying that so many of her turn-coat colleagues did in order to protect their jobs and generous stipends.Likewise I admire and respect Julian Lewis (not for his pro Brexit stance) but for standing up to the Government and ensuring that  failing Grayling wasn't appointed Security Committee Chair.

Steve Taylor ● 2299d

Sadly a job for life has long gone.....

Jayne Thorburn ● 2299d

'Sadly a job for life has long gone.....'And that's justification for this headlong rush into economic oblivion is it?

Vanessa Smith ● 2299d

'Sadly a job for life has long gone.....'I'll pass on that message to the 51 year deputy bank manager who was almost in tears yesterday worrying how he is going to support his children through the last few years of their education, or how he is going to be able to top up his pension, as he had planned, once they had flown the nest.Nobody mentioned a "job for life".  But people have the right to expect their country to be run in a way that gives them a reasonable prospect of finding employment.A government policy that deliberately creates widespread unemployment (and damages our international standing) is, frankly, indefensible (and evil).For what?  So that a few hedge fund managers can make a few more billions out of disaster capitalism, and Johnson can rely on continued support from his Russian funders?

T P Howell ● 2299d

I think you are being limited in your views of who will benefit from Brexit. Please do not forget those who rely on perfectly legal near & off shore tax havens to "minimize" their tax obligations. As the EU moves to be harsh on individuals and companies who leverage the unique tax structures of Europe and its principalities, these wealthy few are keen that the UK "opts out". Thus keeping various tax optimized islands. They are very keen that Brexit in any form happens. And they obviously care more about avoiding tax than other inconveniences (lay offs, reduction in UK exports, businesses closing, UK's ability to leverage anything anymore, poor people in poverty, etc.)

Alan Clark ● 2299d

Clark implies I am a citizen of his country.God forbid!

James Roy ● 2299d

You all need to remember the people had a vote! I wonder how many regret their decision.....

Jayne Thorburn ● 2299d

Oh indeed we remember. We remember the referendum and the claims so very well. Do you? I remember all the statements about an easy exit and an easy deal. Do you?I remember the promises of more money for the NHS. And the promises of not having unelected bureaucrats run our country. How is that going?I remember any mention of an exit without any deal described as “project fear”. Unless you have a brilliant idea, it is now known as project just about to bleeding happen. And is this outcome the situation you thought you voted for?Are people regretting? Who knows. People are very bad at acknowledging their own mistakes. That might be a concept you relate to.

Alan Clark ● 2299d