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Tom, this cut and past argument applies to towns and their suburbs, or US cities, not really to London and areas like Chiswick. There is no 'out of town retail' that is readily accessible, unless you want a day out. In many towns in the UK there is, so people do then have a choice once they get in a car, which I think is the point the argument you copied is trying to make.Chiswick and most of London was built before mass car ownership. The issue in Chiswick, which many choose to ignore, is that its not just a shopping destination but its location means there are large volumes of through traffic. So closing TGT just displaces a lot of this traffic, it doesn't remove it. And as more roads are closed the few remaining routes become ever more congested. Fishers Lane is now noticeably busier, and when this is closed it will move onto Acton Lane.Also, as is evident in Chiswick by all the parked cars, people arrive by different modes of transport. The free 30 mins on TGT was a welcome local scheme that attracted shoppers, not put them off. That is not theory, that happened. CS9 will attract more cyclists, at least we hope so. As would a safe north-south cycle route, which we still lack and which scarce resources could have better been spent on. Many people south of A4 will now likely abandon CHR and drive to Richmond, I find myself doing that more. And for now there is no sign of Richmond following LBH in closing roads. You want to put everything as a binary choice, car bad, everything else good. Encourage cycling for sure, but unless action is taken to stop the mass of vehicles coming into London every day and diverting through Chiswick, these piecemeal solutions will achieve nothing. In fact, they risk making things worse and buses will also get stuck in the congestion.

Paul Green ● 2306d

No the cycle lobby as you like to call it is very focused on the issue of through traffic. Hence its, to you, bewildering support for traffic reduction schemes throughout the area. It is you who is focused on these two streets due to the personal inconvenience they cause for you. For the “cycle lobby“ they are two pieces of the jigsaw puzzle and form part of its cunning plan to restrict all through traffic to a few A roads whilst ensuring that local residents who really need to drive in the area can continue to do so. Especially people with mobility needs. The secret is that the “cycle lobby” interests are not restricted to cycling. They extend to the environment, public health and liveable neighbourhoods. The hive mind is a powerful and unstoppable force. The public interest is not the aggregate of private interests. I am sure that you can appreciate the enjoyment our single connected consciousness feels for the irony of Brexit-voting Tories inadvertently ushering in this transport revolution. It is a salutary and locally tangible example of the unintended consequences of their fervour. That’s why they try to blame the cycle lobby. To divert attention from the fact that it is their hero Boris who is to blame for their woes. I’m honestly quite sure you are not one of them Paul so I have sympathy for how it must feel to have to suffer both the loss of personal freedoms caused by Brexit and the loss of your preferred driving routes and parking spaces. But it is for the public good.

Paul Campbell ● 2306d

Paul GreenPaul C is beginning to sound like some council official, take a look at his Twitter feed, and he reckoned he was a normal resident.He is beginning to sound like a hit man, his job to keep at anyone who doesn’t agree with the government and councils traffic measures being installed in the Hounslow Borough.I believe he could belong to a much larger organisation, who on the Back of an Better environment are after much more domination of the roads further afield , such as the Surrey Hills .Paul C You were born in Hammersmith, Queen Charlottes hospital  was never in the Chiswick boundary. For a nice but persistent person who only wanted a school road for the safety of your children, plus the closure of Harvard hill exit to the A4 to stop the rat run in your area, you have turned into a carbon copy of a council officer and you now posting in away, that you are going to make every car owner suffer because we do not fit into your ideal world.I live in an ideal part of Chiswick, which allows me easy access to other shopping centres. Only have to use Capital Motors for a car service.The Hospitals I attend  are also reached by bypassing all the traffic measures, and as I don’t have to pay the congestion charge I can reach inner London Hospitals without to much Hassle.I was going to give you a small bit of info to assist you in you fight to get a school street, but now I know you have known more than most local people  I will leave you to it , and with your mates try to create your Ideal Chiswick.Best of luck, as I am not posting on the Chiswick parking threads any more because I am off to the areas I have been using for a long time.

Bernard Allen ● 2306d

Well that was a cryptic way of calling me a hypocrite. Sorry I didn’t catch on quickly enough to cut to the chase. I don’t see this in the binary way that you and David do. I don’t think that supporting traffic reduction schemes is castigating car owners and I also don’t believe that it is incompatible with having a car.I’ll try to explain why. Please try not to say but it isn’t Chiswick. I have a group of friends and colleagues who live in the same neighbourhood in The Hague. They have all been quite successful and it is a quite swish neighbourhood that they live in. The King and Queen are their neighbours. They all own cars and bikes. Nice cars too. Including the King and Queen. None of them use their cars in their neighbourhood. It is unthinkable to them. Inconvenient, wasteful and polluting. They use their bikes or their feet for all their local needs: shopping, doctor and dentist visits, meeting friends, taking their kids to school etc. Even the King and Queen. They use their cars when they leave their neighbourhood on longer trips to the other side of The Hague or to other parts of the Netherlands. So you see I am not against cars or car ownership. I will keep my car and use it for longer trips outside of my neighbourhood when I need to transport kids and dog. I will use my feet and my bike as much as possible for local trips. With traffic reduction schemes and cycle lanes it will be safer for my family to join me. This should be good news for people for whom the car is essential and especially those with impaired mobility because it will mean that there are fewer people like me clogging up the local roads and parking spaces. I anticipate that this will be too nuanced for you and I await the next round of insults. You should have learned by now that it is water off a duck’s back.

Paul Campbell ● 2305d

Paul C, you really need to take a deep breath, climb down off your moral high horse, and engage with people. You now seem to want to position me as champion anti all road calming schemes, despite knowing nothing about me. In fact, you could not be further from the truth. As a cyclist I saw what the anti-bike attitudes of K&C borough meant for those foolish enough to cycle in their borough.Overall I think CS9 makes sense, though there are many issues and conflicts. I did not object to it. The Grove Park scheme generally too, though IMO a few changes could be made.I asked you where is the plan for Chiswick in general or north of the A4. You tell me there is one, then that its so obvious that you don't need to tell me. Because there isn't one, which is my point.Let me remind what a a plan looks like, its what we saw for CS9 and for GP quiet neighbourhoods. A plan is drawn up to solve agreed problems, with solutions based on traffic measurements and many other inputs. This plan is then published and open to consultation, and feedback gathered to improve it. Paul, is that really so hard to grasp? Is it that unreasonable to expect that before roads are randomly closed without discussion? I have lived in this area a long time, and I can promise you I wont be losing interest, far from it. My livelihood depends on being able to travel around Chiswick and beyond, often public transport is not suitable.Try and see a perspective other than yours. Encourage LBH to drop their own rampant hypocrisy towards car use and then make a plan for north Chiswick similar to the one for GP. Lets see some traffic modelling as to where the displaced traffic goes. This is being ignored by you. Try and remove many of the residential rat runs that right now have no plans to solve, the use of ANPR and access only signs seems a really good approach. Also acknowledge that all traffic cannot be funneled along single routes given the congestion and fairness for residents on those. I would fully support you in that.PS, reporting someone on this forum given your own extremely rude and combative attitude is pathetic.

Paul Green ● 2305d

Paul,The point about closing Wellesley and SHG to through traffic was:1. Wellesley is the route for CW92. Traffic queued up on Wellesley and Stile Hall every evening was a major impact on the quality of life on residents on those streets.  If a resident wanted to drive, it was impossible to go against the queue of cars backed up along the street.So the cycle route and life for residents on these streets was prioritised higher than people driving through. That means more vehicles using the A4 and CHR but that is where through traffic is meant to be in the first place. Its quite simple.If there is displaced traffic then that can be addressed when the impact is known.  Pre-Covid TfL set aside money to mitigate possible displaced traffic following closure of Wellesley and SHG. If lots of cars still use Wellesley and cut through Oxford Rd N then that can be addressed by banning right turns except buses.  If that means lots of traffic use Marlborough and Burlington, then that can be addressed.  It isn't possible to predict with certainty so the best approach is to do something, then if needed, do something more.I've told you this before, Twice I think. The point about traffic flows is that people assume it is fixed.  It isn't, Make it more difficult to drive and park and fewer people drive.  Make it easier to drive and park and more people drive. Under some circumstances closing routes can improve traffic flows and opening routes can make them worse.  Read up on Braess's paradox.

Michael Robinson ● 2302d