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Below are some of my thoughts.The Trial.The article doesn’t say when the trial will start but the inference is fairly soon.  Surely even Hounslow can’t be stupid enough to conduct a trial when the dampening effect of CV will be with us for many months? The result would be meaningless. Maybe after say twelve months things will be back to a new normal but not before.Funding. We are being told that the ratepayer need not worry too much about the cost as magic money is coming by way of a grant from TfL. Yes, that bastion of prudence also funded by magic money so many billions in debt that a few extra million is of no consequence, which of course it isn’t to them. It’s like someone maxing out on one credit card only to get another to max out on then another and another. It ends in tears eventually. Reasons given for its construction.The tunnel is dangerous. I was told by someone at the heart of this project the school children are scared and in some cases forbidden to go through. It is a potential dead trap. The truth is, it is far less dangerous than crossing a road. Because it LOOKS dangerous people take extra care .Anyway if it is so dangerous why have no measures been put in place to improve things since it was opened some hundred years plus ago?It will be a continuation of the Thames Path. Not really. The path that side will take you to nearby Chiswick Bridge and a little beyond ending abruptly in a modern housing development.  Cross the rail bridge and you immediately join Thames Path that can take you to Central London, Richmond and way beyond. It will be easier for people to access Barnes railway station. True but only for the fit and able in which case they should have no problem in adding a few minutes to their journey, no doubt to a sporting facility anyway.If you want to see what this gleaming stainless steel structure will look like there is a good example under Chelsea Bridge.  It joins up the Thames Path avoiding having to cross the very busy road above. Now that’s fully justified and sensible expenditure unlike the ‘bridge to nowhere much’ as I like to call it.It comes as no surprise to me that the project is still going ahead even if the tunnel usage is changed as, after all, it’s only magic money being spent on a vanity project that ticks all the politically correct boxes.

Adrian Irving ● 2371d

Mr Robinson, was you talking to Mark Frost by any chance?Because this a vanity scheme of local authority conducting a trail in the middle of a lock down is as much use as Hounslow House.As a local resident of long standing my opinion is the bridge closure will really tested throughout the winter months of this year.The general public route to use the park is via Riverside Drive, in which plans have been submitted for sports expansion in King House School Sports Club, this could also include part of the grounds to be used a car park for king house and maybe use by the cricket club.Then you have the coach turning circles being installed by the bandstand by Hounslow Council on the promenade.I take it these turning circles are for the coaches that attend the sports clubs, I wonder where they are going to park, no doubt in local residential  streets.The members and visitors of the Virgin Active Club will all have to use Riverside Drive to reach the premises, where it was dived from both entrances before the bridge closure. This traffic will not be present through out the trail period as health clubs are not open at the moment.Basically there will be an increase of vehicle use of Riverside  Drive Which is heavenly used by children crossing Riverside Drive to go to the Various local schools. But this will not be shown up over the next few months as the country isn’t operating as normal.If I was a betting man and I’m not, I’ll give those planters  3 or  4 weeks before they take a walk. So I hope they are well bolted to the ground.

Bernard Allen ● 2355d

So the only proposal to protect children in Staveley Gardens trying to cross Riverside Drive to get to school, the park or Edensor Road with heavier car traffic, is the hope that Riverside Club members will decide suddenly to cycle. How glib, how contemptuous.I no longer live there, so wonder if residents there were consulted, clearly the local cycling club was. Bernard, were you and your neighbours consulted?How did anyone assess that more cyclists / pedestrians use Dan Mason Drive? Riverside Drive leads to all the public facilities and to the Riverside Promenade, which will also get more traffic. Being a park it is used by families cycling with young children to the playgrounds etc. Paul C tweeted photo of his son trying to cycle along Riverside Drive, a while ago.  Dan Mason Drive has no contact / conflict points with residential roads and has a completely separate foot/ cycle path.The real why is that, having embarked on developing the sports facilities beside Dan Mason Drive, without any initial feasibility work, the very poor access came as a complete surprise to the council, but not those expected to fund it. This led to the scheme for 3G football pitches being designed a second time, at more cost and time and money being spent trying, unsuccessfully, to locate them nearer the A316. The business plan for the rugby pitches is based on 80,000 school children a year visiting, in coaches. Dan Mason Drive is too narrow in places for two coaches to pass each other, so passing places have been installed. All not ideal. So reducing traffic going along there by sending all the traffic to the Riverside Club along Riverside Drive to assist.So how do you get an awful proposal, not in the wider public interest through? Don't consult or share the findings of the traffic survey with those who will be negatively  affected and do the trial in a lockdown when there won't be any traffic to and from the Riverside Club.

Kathleen Healy ● 2355d

So the only proposal to protect children in Staveley Gardens trying to cross Riverside Drive to get to school, the park or Edensor Road with heavier car traffic, is the hope that Riverside Club members will decide suddenly to cycle. How glib, how contemptuous.I no longer live there, so wonder if residents there were consulted, clearly the local cycling club was. Bernard, were you and your neighbours consulted?How did anyone assess that more cyclists / pedestrians use Dan Mason Drive? Riverside Drive leads to all the public facilities and to the Riverside Promenade, which will also get more traffic. Being a park it is used by families cycling with young children to the playgrounds etc. Paul C tweeted photo of his son trying to cycle along Riverside Drive, a while ago.  Dan Mason Drive has no contact / conflict points with residential roads and has a completely separate foot/ cycle path.The real why is that, having embarked on developing the sports facilities beside Dan Mason Drive, without any initial feasibility work, the very poor access came as a complete surprise to the council, but not those expected to fund it. This led to the scheme for 3G football pitches being designed a second time, at more cost and time and money being spent trying, unsuccessfully, to locate them nearer the A316. The business plan for the rugby pitches is based on 80,000 school children a year visiting, in coaches. Dan Mason Drive is too narrow in places for two coaches to pass each other, so passing places have been installed. All not ideal. So reducing traffic going along there by sending all the traffic to the Riverside Club along Riverside Drive to assist.So how do you get an awful proposal, not in the wider public interest through? Don't consult or share the findings of the traffic survey with those who will be negatively  affected and do the trial in a lockdown when there won't be any traffic to and from the Riverside Club.

Kathleen Healy ● 2355d

The idea of a footbridge emerged years ago from a feasibility study commissioned by Dukes Meadows Trust. There was an idea to reopen the defunct footbridge on the upstream side of Barnes Bridge to link the station with the upstream clubs on Dukes Meadows.The engineers, Arup, I think? concluded that because the footbridge would need to be DDA compliant, it wasn't feasible as it would require a large ramp down Barnes passage or a lift. They also looked at tunnelling through the railway embankment near the river, also not feasible on cost and it being very unlikely network rail would agree to it. The third option looked at was a footbridge under the bridge, as already exists on the Barnes side.We tried over many years to generate interest in the idea. around 9 years ago the council commissioned a design and consulted on it, but then it stalled. I was told because the PLA wouldn't give consent.  When the garden bridge idea collapsed and the council announced its masterplan for Dukes Meadows, I thought there might be a chance to revive the plan. I lobbied various people including our MP and the GLA.I met with Steve Curran, council leader and shared the plans, he wasn't interested initially, but I believe the sports bodies investing in the pitches wanted to have pubic transport access to them improved and the bridge would do that, so eventually the idea was revived.I believe it is a very good idea, it links the Thames Path and puts all the clubs upstream in easy access of the transport hub at Barnes Bridge making visits by train and bus easier and more likely.I am staggered by the costs announced. There is a footbridge on the Barnes side that works very well and looks like it cost little. I anticipated the bridge on the Chiswick side would be more substantial that the Barnes one, but cannot understand how it can be millions. A more modest bridge would have served well and been more justifiable cost wise.So mea culpa, but with no idea that something costing millions would result.

Kathleen Healy ● 2354d

Minutes of Hounslow Council cabinet, 11th November 2019. If I remember correctly Kathleen was invited to present the petition and the petitioners' case but was unavailable that evening so somebody else presented it.Petition pdf icon PDF 108 KBCabinet to receive representations on the submitted petition (totalling 1323 signatories at time of submission) requesting that the Council does not proceed with the proposals to build car parks near the Promenade at Dukes Meadows, Chiswick. Minutes:Members received a deputation to present a petition requesting the Council abandon and not proceed with the car parking scheme proposed in relation to The Promenade, Riverside Public Open Space at Dukes Meadows, Chiswick on grounds that it would spoil the unique character of this riverside park. Petitioners argued that the parking and coach turning circle was not wanted by any of the clubs at Dukes Meadows and only served to spoil and degrade this public asset.  They called into question the validity of the consultations carried out by the Council, stating that the proposed amendments to parking at the riverside had not been clearly set out in the planning report.  Petitioners suggested that any sensible policy would seek to remove parking from the riverside and locate it elsewhere.Mark Frost, Head of Traffic and Transport, reported that the proposals had been assessed by planning officers as appropriate and that planning permission granted at Planning Committee was supported by planning policy.  Mr Frost stated that the consultation had resulted in a number of representations mainly in relation to the charges and parking bays and that, as a direct result of those representations the number of parking bays had been reduced from 50 to 40 and proposed charges had been reduced.  He confirmed that the coach turning circle was already in place and that the introduction of double yellow lines would serve to ensure that coaches could no longer remain on site and to remove many hundreds of parking possibilities across the site.  The 160 bays proposed under the planning consent were in the main already being used by visitors.  The proposals were aimed at formalising existing parking arrangements, reducing through traffic and ensuring that grass verges were protected.The Cabinet, whilst sympathetic to the petitioners’ case and having considered the petition and the comments made by the organisers, decided that it nonetheless wished to proceed with its original agreed plans, which it believed balanced the needs of visitors to the park and its facilities as well as reducing overall parking pressures and protecting the grass verges at the site.The fact that 1323 people signed a petition against it suggests that this was far from being a secret. You will notice that one of the objectives was to reduce through traffic. Closing the tunnel will further that desired outcome.

Guy Lambert ● 2353d

Ken My memory may be a bit rusty on this subject, but the bridge under Barnes Bridge was discussed back in 2000.One thing that came out of general discussion was that Barnes Hockey Cub ladies teams located on the Old Meadonians FC ground were not happy with how they travelled to the ground.They had to cross Barnes railway bridge, down the steps on the eastern side of the bridge and onto the promenade Road, then walk to the railway bridge which at that time was very dark.After negotiating the underneath of the railway bridge to walk pass the allotment entrance and uphill passed the football pitches to the overgrown car park that leads to the entrance to he hockey pitch.They didn't feel very safe walking that route so discussions about accessing Barnes bridge station by another route took place.Such as cutting a two section slope into the west side bank to link up the unused bridge to the west of the railway bridge and also include this into a cycle route as well. But this was soon shoot down for cycles as there wasn't space on the Barnes side for safe access for bikes, but maybe there was enough space for pedestrian steps.There were other Ideas suggested but they were all based on Personal safety rather than pedestrian, Car or cycle safety.The Idea of linking the two sections of towpath came much later as a way to safely get to Barnes bridge station, so was a tunnel driven under the bank witch wasn't liked by network rial.All of this work and consultations involved the Council, Stakeholders and the general public up to a point where stakeholders were left out of certain decisions as was the general public.Now its promoted at keeping vehicles away from pedestrians and cyclists, but the Idea was born out of Personal safety of anyone who used the route from Barnes bridge station to gain entry to the playing  fields on the west side of the bridge.

Bernard Allen ● 2351d

Michael, the link doesn't work in terms of showing comments, but there were several opposed to hard surfacing the grass on the Promenade to put in parking bays. One had around 50 people agreeing another 10 another 12. In terms of Dukes Meadows, being against that proposal was the most supported view. I agree the council certainly should release the results of the surveying re traffic under the tunnel, so people living in Staveley Gardens, members of the Riverside Club  and using Riverside Drive and the Promenade are aware of what the impact on them of the closure is likely to be.An experimental order is not a trial to assess the impact pf a permanent closure. It seems to be suggested that this is both?Nothing will be learned at the moment, as the Riverside Club is closed and likely to re open only slowly. Proposals and initiatives for managing traffic. The Trust paid for the first feasibility study to join the Thames Path at Barnes Bridge,that identified the footbridge as the most likely solution, we have lobbied for it since. It will make it more feasible for people to travel to the sports clubs up stream by public transport.I am staggered by the current cost estimate and wonder if it could not have been designed more modestly and built at less cost. The Trust has lobbied for parking to be managed, kept away from the sensitive riverside and for charges to be introduced. We lobbied for the parking bays that were created along Riverside Drive and planted the hedge behind them to screen them from the park, before the bays were installed. We asked that when charging, there would be a good number of short stay spaces to accommodate people visiting the park. This isn't being done, so on days of big events, the area will be parked out most of the day. We asked that there was charging and enforcement midweek, with a two or three hour gap for allotment holders to tend their plots. There will be no charging or enforcement midweek, so the area will continue to be used for commuter parking, coaches resting up having dropped passengers elsewhere and trade vehicles resting up.We asked that the clubs worked with other local organisations and each other to share parking for events. I believe some are now doing this, using parking in Chiswick School.We lobbied for clubs to advise when they were having large events, to avoid clashes and the giving of advanced notice. We asked that the large rowing events were pre notified and risk assessments and traffic plans provided. That has started, but no calendar was produced for 2020 by the start of the year. Years ago we lobbied to have the junction at Staveley / Alexandra Gardens made safer. We suggested narrowing the road at the entrance t create a give way point. Instead the roundabout was removed and a "raised table" installed. The table is just profiled tarmac, with no edge. 4 X 4's hardly notice it, no one has to give way at the roundabout any longer,so the junction is less safe. A narrow path was created, but a lamp post not relocated, so it blocks the path. The Trust installed the only bike racks in the public area of the park, when it built the play areas.The Trust worked with Thames21 years ago to secure funding to upgrade and resurface the Thames Path from Chiswick Bridge to Barnes Bridge. It also around that time led on the project to eradicate Japanese Knotweed along that stretch.The Trust commissioned a design to restore the Promenade gates and Promenade Approach to create a wide, safe pedestrian and cycle route into the park and on to the Thames Path. It would also provide a link from the Thames Path to Chiswick House. It includes sets of bike racks. The Trust has raised £25,000 towards the project i grants and plans to commit £10,000 of its own reserves, fundraising continues.May I ask what you have done to improve the safety of people using all of Dukes Meadows. Also why you feel it is justified to prioritise the safety of people using Dan Mason Drive over people using Riverside Drive, The Promenade and people living in Staveley Gardens?

Kathleen Healy ● 2351d