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UK on top

After Italy (which is on the way down the curve!)and the US the UK has the most cases of death due to Cov19,I know lots will say it is in the counting and testing, but there is no excuse, they failed miserably. It started way back when they cut back on NHS and PPE stock and goes on with politician who are unable to make decisions, the whole time there are promises after promises, The PM, after illness and now on paternity leave, has not faced a questioning, the Parliament thought it will go on an Easter-break instead of staying on and face the crisis.  

Silvia Kinner ● 2380d71 Comments

Our recording deaths is far more accurate than other countries. I suspect as was the case in China, other countries will revise their figures. If you look at the press articles in countries such as Spain and Italy , several indicate their death toll due to the virus is likely to be 50% -70% higher than reportedExcess deaths in these countries far outnumber Corona Virus deaths . Some of the excess mortality will be down to other causes but given the fact the majority of the excess deaths happened in areas worst hit by the virus, it is most likely these deaths are due to the virus. According to the new figures In Spain , including unproven but probable coronavirus fatalities in places such as care homes would almost double Catalonia’s death toll to more than 7,000 people, while increasing the count in Madrid from 6,724 to more than 11,500.If the deaths counted in the two hardest-hit regions were added to Spain’s nationwide total, it would rise by 42 per cent to more than 27,000. If the increase due to the changed criteria were replicated across the country, the nationwide death count would go up by more than 70 per cent.I don’t think we will know true figures until the retrospective counting is done.

Sean Wales ● 2380d

The PM is not on paternity leave.

Susan Kelly ● 2380d

The UK 'excess deaths' are the highest of anyone by a long stretch. These are difficult to manipulate and are the truest measure of the impact of Coronavirus on the healthcare system in general.The reasons for this and where the responsibility lies are for future enquiries but the facts are quite clear and very stark.https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/#z-scores-by-country

Guy Lambert ● 2380d

Worse still, the current UK registered CV case/death rate is 165,221/26,097 representing a case/death percentage rate of 15.8%. A percentage this high is only typically found in cases of the very elderly, but here, it’s the average across the board! How can this be? I’ve heard of many reports where doctors and nurses are being told to register a death as COVID-19 when the patient actually died of something else, typically a long standing illness. A figure of 15.8% appears to support these claims, with the vast majority of these people likely to have been very old.

Michael Brown ● 2380d

"It started way back when they cut back on NHS and PPE stock"I believe it would have helped if they had 'locked down' three or four weeks earlier and if they imposed stringent measures to enforce the lock-down. Deaths are rising because more and more people are ignoring social distancing. The disease is spreading.

Steve Taylor ● 2380d

I think this country was caught napping.Covid-19 was in this country and in Hounslow soon after the schools went back after Christmas.A complete class and Teacher went down with what we know now as the symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), a high temperature and a new, continuous cough.Then some of the parents caught it off the children, one parent who has a breathing condition and was very ill.This parent was rushed into West Mid 3 or 4 times, and the doctors had to admit they didn't know what they were dealing with. Don't schools have to inform the local health authority's if they have a indecent such as this? I do believe the the truth wasn't being told from the country were the Pandemic started, but this country has become very lazy in the reporting an health indecent.If it was reported, then someone in the reporting system didn't make it urgent enough to stop what we are all experiencing now. All the above is only my own view of the events, as I have no facts to support my post. 

Bernard Allen ● 2380d

I hate to state the obvious we are dealing with a pandemic the likes of which haven’t been seen for over 100 years. The death toll around the world will continue but at a slower rate if people adhere to social distancing until such times a treatment and/or vaccine is found. Of course we still don’t know if we are able to build immunity against the virus if we have had it. Even with all the PPE and testing people will die, that’s the sad fact.

Jayne Thorburn ● 2380d

Looking at the graph shown on the site that Guy provided a URL address for, it can be seen that deaths are down in Europe in the age groups up to 14 years compared to 2018 & 2019; so no reason for schools to be shut. If one clicks on ‘weekly’ show, it can be seen that death rates across all ages are steadily decreasing, so lockdown should be eased now if the economy is to have any chance of surviving; but I am not hopeful – I don’t think it is the plan to save the economy. As for your nonsense, Taylor, non-Covid deaths are soaring during lockdown; it’s killing thousands.

Michael Brown ● 2380d

Whatever the final tragic figures, this crisis reveals just how many of the social support structures we should have been able to rely on have been undermined and hollowed out by years of intentional government neglect. Underfunding the NHS, social care and prisons. Maintaining a punitive benefit regime.  Establishing a hostile environment for people from other countries. Prioritising the interests of business by privatising, outsourcing, and zero-hour contracts, with profits often hidden in off-shore tax havens. Existing expertise in hospitals, universities and local authorities is ignored, so we have an accountancy firm and a catering company trying to run the car park testing service, until the army was called in to help.  Stores of vital supplies and staffing levels were run down to save money.  Well, money's no object now. The low-skilled are now 'vital'. Worn down health workers are now 'saints and heroes'. We're 'all in this together' and 'lessons must be learned'. But what lessons, and will we get the structural transformation that this crisis has revealed to be necessary? Or will we just go back to the old 'belt-tightening', 'live within our means' propaganda of the past decade?

Peter Evans ● 2380d

I couldn't agree more.

Ben Gemmingen ● 2380d

Exactly right, Peter.  It is very important that the government doesn't repeat the mistakes made following the banking crisis.  I just happen to have read an article which relates to this theme.  We are in crisis, but it could be a unique opportunity.  (But I'm not optimistic.)https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/29/airlines-oil-giants-government-economy

Alastair Banton ● 2380d

"Worse still, the current UK registered CV case/death rate is 165,221/26,097 representing a case/death percentage rate of 15.8%.......How can this be?". The answer is obvious, Michael. The number of recorded cases is extremely low because the UK's testing programme has been pathetic, and the low number of tests masks the full scale of the infection. If we'd tested as many people as, say, Italy, the number of recorded cases would be pushing up towards 400,000. Look instead at deaths per million population. That's a better indication of the mortality rate. On that basis, we're still some way behind Spain and Italy. We'd be even further behind if our government had paid heed to the early warning we had from observing the horrors in Italy.

Robert Fish ● 2379d

"The death toll around the world will continue but at a slower rate if people adhere to social distancing"Unfortunately many, many people in the UK still refuse to adhere to social distancing and deaths are increasing. We should be listening to what they did in New Zealand. Remind me again, how many deaths have they had which are arributed to Covid-19?

Steve Taylor ● 2379d

Well put Silvia. The Tories will spin this into some kind of victory.

Basil Finnis ● 2379d

The Government, or rather the Medical Government, predicted a long, drawn out process early on, arguably gleefully. All seems to be going to plan.

Michael Brown ● 2379d

arguably gleefully. All seems to be going to plan.Evidence for them being gleeful about this terrible lockdown?Anything????

Matthew Swain ● 2379d

The government knows of the importance to people of the economy and their social lives, and the obvious dislike of being imprisoned. Even if this predicament was unavoidable, governments normally talk with hope and optimism about such matters to give people hope; but both the government ministers and medical officers were resigned to ‘a significant period’ or ‘months’ of lockdown early on, when I don’t believe they would have known in a natural scenario – they would, at least, keep an open mind and see how things go. However, their ‘predictions’ seem to be coming true, and I think that a script is being followed, as I’ve always said.

Michael Brown ● 2379d

It’s also not the responsibility of a medical officer to decide how long a nation is locked up for, but each medical officer has seemed confident in what they’ve said, seemingly with the knowledge that the government won’t object. Of course, they will have talked prior, but how can a government agree to medical ideology and ignore everything else that’s so important to our society? Organised scam.

Michael Brown ● 2379d

One of my clients who has a house in Northern Italy told me in January he was very ill with a kind of flu that he had never had before.  Fortunately he recovered.

Claire Moran ● 2379d

Gawd, here we again.A scam to establish what? What are the intended consequences of this scam?Who is perpetrating this scam? Is it "they" again? Who are "they"? What do they intend to gain? Why has it taken until 2020 for them to come up with this wheeze? Why have they not organised similar / better scam years ago?How have "they" managed to convince all these countries, all these governments, all these scientists?Are all these governments & scientist under their employ / being bribed / being coerced? How many hundreds of thousands of people will this be? How can "they" afford this and control them all and orchestrate that many?Simple clear answers to these questions please.

Alan Clark ● 2379d

Remember the definition of insanity wrongly attributed to Einstein: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results".  It's bad enough that MB starts so many off-the-wall threads, or takes other threads off at insane tangents, but do you have to keep on posing questions to which you know you'll never get an answer? 

Robert Fish ● 2379d

"Look instead at deaths per million population."Yes, deaths is a far more reasonable indicator at the moment. So as of yesterday:UK population: 66,000,000UK deaths: 26,097Sweden population: 11,000,000Sweden deaths: 2,462

Alex Shpinkov ● 2379d

Have you considered the possibility that AC might not even exist.... maybe he's Michael's stooge...the one that asks all the questions the star wants him to ask...An example of  pioneering 21st century internet ventriloquism...just suggesting...

Stuart Kerr ● 2379d

...or he might just be, as Michael would say, a shill!

Robert Fish ● 2379d

You needn’t worry about ‘insane disinformation’. The World Economic Forum, which is co-chaired by Bill Gates, ran a high profile Coronavirus Pandemic Exercise in New York on 18 October 2019, where ‘disinformation’ was prepared for in advance. Below is the ‘disinformation’ excerpt.  The exercise went live in Wuhan 6 weeks later: 

Michael Brown ● 2379d

Thanks for those (less than) kind words. I am fully aware that Brown will not drawn into detailing his preposterous notions. He knows as we all know that his crazy claims lack substance and fall to pieces on even cursory examination. He knows this so dare not attempt answers. So why keep pressing him?First, its important to stamp down on idiot ideas that can lead to damage. His ideas here support breaking social distances and encourage damaging 5G networks. Neither may damage him but there is risk to harming others. Worth stamping down on, no?Second, he is days away from an anti-vaccination tirade. This will not just be covid-19 vaccination lies but all vaccinations. This one is nastier. Vaccination relies on the vast majority being inoculated. Whether measles or covid-19. Promoting anti-vaccination is dangerous and people are more susceptible to this lie. So damaging Brown's nasty little lies early will help to undermine his imminent anti-vacc rubbish.

Alan Clark ● 2379d

The truth I share mortifies AC. Why is this? Is he 'one of them’ ??

Michael Brown ● 2379d

I asked MB for evidence that the government were gleeful in instituting a lockdown.  Nil evidence provided apart to claim (presumably without evidence) that they are following a script.

Matthew Swain ● 2379d

"Simple clear answers to these questions please."You'll be lucky!

Ken Munn ● 2379d

A script co-authored by George Soros, Bill Gates, Arthur C Clarke and Groucho Marx, no doubt.

Ken Munn ● 2379d

Mortifies? More like irritates. Promoting falsehoods is bad, doing so knowingly is reprehensible. You know your claims are false, otherwise you would attempt to justify them. You are the worst type of charlatan. And you can't even be honest with yourself.

Alan Clark ● 2379d

I still don't grasp how anyone can support the approach of the government at the present time.  We are one of the very few countries that as yet hasn't produced nor implemented any kind of 'lockdown exit strategy'.Those countries that have started implementing their phased lockdown exit strategies, like Denmark, Germany, Slovakia to name but a few, now have a real opportunity to establish whether the phased exit measures are actually generating a second spike, and, if they are, to revisit their strategies accordingly.Denmark's progress suggests the first phase of its lockdown exit strategy isn't leading to a second spike, whereas in Germany it's less clear.Yet here we are, some 6 weeks into lockdown, without a strategy, despite our transmission rate being now supposedly comparable to the countries I've mentioned and despite Boris openly advising that we are past our peak.  So when the government do finally decide to both publish and implement its exit strategy, neither it nor us will ever have a clue whether that strategy was directly responsible for whatever follows it.To me this is a government without any balls, without any willingness to be accountable.  It hopes that, by extending the lockdown without a clear exit strategy, once that strategy is published and implemented then it will take all the credit for "beating" the virus, even though it may well be that the virus is already beaten, and regardless of the economic cost of its own delay.Meanwhile both companies and a minority of the public are seeing this complete inertia as justification to take matters into their own hands, hence why more and more companies and the public are starting to push the boundaries of the lockdown.Which no they shouldn't be doing, but when the government is aimlessly ambling along it is inevitable that there will be a backlash.

Adam Beamish ● 2379d

Because the government has abjectly failed to provide leadership, the devolved nations and large corporations have taken matters into their own hands. They have not had a choice, the government has left this country like a dinghy drifting towards a whirlpool.

Carl Wynne ● 2379d

I completely agree, Adam.Today’s BBC CV Update Muppet Show was another sham. No commitment to what R value is required or death rate figure – nothing. Why? Because it doesn’t matter, that’s why. This has been a 3 month shutdown project since 24th March regardless – the virus is just being used to facilitate the shutdown to destroy the social and economic system, plus whatever else they can get out of it..

Michael Brown ● 2379d

The current (claimed) CV death figure is 26,000. Approx. 600,000 die in the UK each year, so it’s nothing. Double it and round it up to 60,000, even if I’m included in the death figures. The financial and social destruction of 99.9% of the population cannot be justified to mollycoddle 0.1%, plus most of this lot were dying, anyway, and would have died lockdown or no lockdown. As for the NHS – they built all those extra hospitals to house thousands, and they’re empty! But these fraudsters don’t give a hoot about the reality of the situation because it’s all about their agenda.

Michael Brown ● 2379d

Aha, I knew it !So you know their agenda .That makes you one of them lol !What's the plan Stan ?I'm a bit dense so please explain what is obvious to you but isn't to me.

Ben Gemmingen ● 2379d

Two of the countries you mention, Germany and Denmark, are much more on top of the situation than we are. They've tested approximately 2.5 times more per million people than the UK has. We're now supposedly up to 80,000 tests per day, but there is doubt whether, even if we can consistently achieve a significantly higher level of testing, there is adequate facility to track and trace contacts. Without that capability we'll simply be inviting a devastating second wave.

Robert Fish ● 2379d

Adam, every time there is mention of an exit from the lockdown, many lapse from the distance rules and just start behaving like things are back to normal, this will have to be done slowly and in a way that people are stillvery careful and I don't think it's time for the lockdown to end as there has not been a dramatic drop in the amount of people we are losing.

Janice Evans ● 2379d

Germany is now rethinking its plan to unlock as there are indications that infections are set to rise there again.  It is the perfect opportunity for a country approaching or at the spike of infectionsas we seem to be to wait a litte while and see what happens elsewhere as other countries start to unlock, learn the lessons from the errors and successes of those countries and implement a strategy accordingly.

Claire Moran ● 2379d

There’s no way that Germany, with a population of 83m, is being caused problems with just 6k CV registered deaths. In fact, if you go to the site that Guy provided a URL address for at 09.32 this morning and look at the graph showing general death rates in Germany, the increase is zero over the given period; so the news about increased deaths in Germany being the result of easing the lockdown would appear to be part of the scam to delay the easing of other country’s lockdowns, such as ours.

Michael Brown ● 2379d

Sorry Janice but it simply isn't true to say that people are 'lapsing' from the distance rules because of mention of an exit from the lockdown - for starters there has never been any indication from the government of an exit from the lockdown, in fact precisely the opposite.Robert's point about testing is a valid one, but nonetheless it is absurd that firstly the Government were so slow to act out of supposed fear of restricting civil liberties, and now it seems to expect us to contently remain in lockdown without any steer or strategy.The government just hopes we're going to lap up more and more of Tom Moore and clapping for carers, and quite happily sit in lockdown until further notice.

Adam Beamish ● 2379d

Adam, I am sorry, but this is just not true. The government has said they will publish a plan for a phased exit from lockdown within the next few days.  Personally, and the polls show I am in the majority, I would prefer that they proceed with caution. Health above wealth for the time being.

Claire Moran ● 2379d

“Robert's point about testing is a valid one, but nonetheless it is absurd that firstly the Government were so slow to act out of supposed fear of restricting civil liberties, and now it seems to expect us to contently remain in lockdown without any steer or strategy”.We were always going into lockdown; the delay was just part of the psychology being applied, to give the impression that it was a reluctant decision, and allow time for the sheeple to start begging to be locked up, which they did – the same lot who would have been out clapping on the doorstep this evening. Also, delaying the decision allowed a kick-start for infection into the old people’s homes.

Michael Brown ● 2379d

Alles clar jetz !But I thought the infection didn't exist.I'm confused.Please explain.What a bunch of cunning stunts they are to slip this all under the radar.

Ben Gemmingen ● 2379d

Don't go there, Ben. Not sure if this fruitcake really believes this stuff (doubt it) or if he just seeks attention (more likely). Either way, don't fuel it.

Claire Moran ● 2379d

Adam, never mention the Government its people on social media becoming impatient, especially when we are told it may have reach a peak.

Janice Evans ● 2379d

Don't worry ,he's a friend of mine.

Ben Gemmingen ● 2379d

He has a friend?  Crikey :)

Claire Moran ● 2379d

Adam, yes it is true, I'm shopping for others and noticed a lapse in distancing last week, after rumours of an improvement in the situation, also heard a woman complaining to the Manager about it and this week it had revert back to a more organised shop.

Janice Evans ● 2379d

“ Personally, and the polls show I am in the majority, I would prefer that they proceed with caution. Health above wealth for the time being.”I am with Claire on this. And Janice is correct too imo. People are slacking off radically with the social distancing and companies are starting to ignore the lockdown big time now. On Radio 4 this morning the ceo of Aston Martin said that his factory will get back to work now and build cars but he stammered and stuttered when questioned about how his staff actually feel about it and he seems to have not thought through how staff will get to work if they don’t have their own transport. The government really needs to get its act together and forbid unnecessary return to work whilst the virus is still spreading and people are dying.

Steve Taylor ● 2379d

Not to worry. According to Johnson we've passed the peak and can now see the green shoots at the end of the tunnel through the flattened sombrero, as long as we knuckle down and take it on the chin while the government works round the clock, day and night, heart and soul, to ramp up its road map toward the alpine pastures ahead.

Peter Evans ● 2379d

Come on Janice, lets look at solid empirical data, not "I went to Sainsburys last week and overhead a complete stranger having a moan".I invite anyone to look at the graph for new daily cases in the UK, compare it to virtually every other European country, and then comment accordingly.Those countries all show a significant downward turn in new cases from their pronounced peak.  Typically every few days during this downward turn they experience an increase in the number of cases, and then a significant drop, which could be due to delayed data recording etc, but that pattern has been taking place for several weeks - Germany being the clearest example of this.  Yet I note some of the tabloid press presenting this as Germany experiencing a surge of cases since starting to implement its lockdown exit strategy, which is nonsense.But going back to my point at the start of this thread, the UK's graph of daily new infections doesn't show any marked decline or increase in cases in the last 3 weeks, yes overall there's a slow decline, but it's nothing like as pronounced as the same graphs for most other countries.So where's the evidence that our ongoing lockdown is actually working or has worked, bearing in mind we've been in for over 6 weeks now ?.  Yes, perhaps if it wasn't in place the number of new cases would surge, but that hasn't been the experience of anywhere else as yet.Perhaps there is an inherent weakness in our lockdown ?.  Perhaps so many people are ignoring the lockdown that that is why there's not a marked decline in daily new cases ? (I don't believe that, but put it out there as a possibility).How can our Government credibly say that its actions have been a success, as Boris blathered on about in his first speech back on Monday, in light of the evidence of this data ?.Our ship has aimlessly bobbed up and down in the ocean for over 6 weeks now, and every week we are told "we're at/over the peak now" and "it's too soon to set out an exit strategy".  Only a couple of weeks you yourself replied to me on this forum saying "oh it'll only be for a little while longer".I'm not criticising the government for the sake of it.  I have zero political allegiance.  But when I see data that shows that we are at odds with the experience of most other countries, and our government continues to delay and dither, than I'll call it out.And it isn't about "deaths v wealth" as Claire suggests, the easy way to dodge this issue is to say "people are still dying, until they stop we can't have this conversation".

Adam Beamish ● 2379d

“…the UK's graph of daily new infections doesn't show any marked decline or increase in cases in the last 3 weeks, …”In fairness we need to remember that “the new infections” are significantly driven by the number of tests. The number of tests in the UK as I understand is going up.“So where's the evidence that our ongoing lockdown is actually working or has worked, bearing in mind we've been in for over 6 weeks now ?”That’s a very good question! And that’s why I keep throwing in the question about Sweden – they are doing better than us in both number of cases and number of deaths. Both – per person. OK, one could argue the density factor… but even so, surely, we should not be doing that much worse than they.

Alex Shpinkov ● 2379d

Adam, have seen for myself what goes on without the figures being thrown around, it's too early, help those who are helping others, we wantTo feel safe when we shop and all the talk of an exit does not help.

Janice Evans ● 2379d

About 312,000 people in the UK with COVID today.  Down from a peak of about 2,130,000 on 2 April. https://covid.joinzoe.com/data#interactive-map

Christopher Shea ● 2379d

We need there to be no new cases, we have not reach that yet.

Janice Evans ● 2379d

It isn't that simplistic Janice.  Those people who feel unsafe when they shop now are going to feel the same way for months to come, and the country can't stop until that minority feel safe.  I'm sure many people are perfectly content with the lockdown because they're only thinking about themselves - for example they're retired, or they're currently furloughed so effectively on paid leave etc.  I myself am okay economically, because I've got a sufficiently broad client base that's still keeping me busy, so I could easily say nothing and get by.But I look at the economic damage this is doing across the world, and also, connected with that, the longer-term consequences of the financial support the government is offering - local authorities for example have been struggling for years so this is pretty much going to finish them off (with several authorities already acknowledging they are close to going bankrupt), and you can bet your bottom dollar that personal tax will rocket in the coming years as the government seek to claw back all this financial support.So in the same way I'm not saying "people are dying, tough, the economy is king", nor can I say "the economy doesn't matter until people stop dying".  It's all about the need for a coherent, balanced strategy that can respond to changes in the evidence available.And quite frankly nor should the Government be sending a message which effectively says precisely what you acknowledge, i.e "we don't care about the economy as long as Mrs. Jones, who's retired and financially secure, as well as having always been scared of her own shadow, feels she can safely step out her front door again" - I don't want Mrs. Jones to get coronavirus, but nor do I want the many millions of people who aren't in Mrs. Jones's position to have the rest of their lives ruined because of a Government that hadn't got a strategy at the time and then after the event sought to bleed the working population dry because of the unnecessary extended financial support it provided instead of taking positive steps to get the economy going again, just because Mrs. Jones is of a nervous disposition.

Adam Beamish ● 2379d

Adam, 60 per cent are not happy to come out of lockdown yet and undoall the effort that has been put in so far, my partner is self employed sowe are suffering along with many others, if you are trying to belittle me itsNot working.

Janice Evans ● 2379d

Belittle you?  How on earth can you come to that conclusion?

Alastair Banton ● 2379d

I'm with the majority Alastair, and we aware of the state of the economy.

Janice Evans ● 2378d

???:-)

Alastair Banton ● 2378d

Yeah, I respect his view but cannot agree on this occasion.

Janice Evans ● 2378d

Nothing wrong with disagreement and I'm not in any way trying to belittle you, I'm merely pointing to empirical data which undermine the approach/lack of approach being taken by the government.It was your suggestion that the lockdown shouldn't be lifted until everyone feels safe to go to the shops, or the suggestion that the lockdown can't be lifted until there are zero new cases,  that I admit to be rather 'disdainful' of, because it is far too simplistic/utopian/unrealistic.

Adam Beamish ● 2378d

Perhaps looking at the hospital admissions due to COVID19 would be a good way of seeing whether the lockdown is effective? (By the way I don't know if this data exists, I know that the government has shown graphs of hospital admissions, but I don't know if these are all hospital admissions, or just COVID19 precipitated admissions) If the percentage of COVID19 infections requiring admissions to hospital compared to the number of infections in the community (which we don't have figures for because a testing regime to provide these figures hasn't been in place) has remained constant for the last few weeks (this may or may not be a reasonable hypothesis - I don't know), then if the daily number of new COVID19 precipitated admissions is decreasing, would that not point to a decrease in the number of infections in total in the community? And hence a sign that lock down is having the desired effect?As I said, I don't know if this data exists, but if it does maybe it can shed some light on the effectiveness or not of the lock down.

Andrew Jones ● 2378d

Talking with a highly qualified  consultant their view is that Covid 19 is here to stay. It will take many years to completely eradicate it if ever so the challenge is how we manage it. The world economy will have to get moving again, otherwise billions will suffer through lack of employment, starvation etc.  there will be more health checks, testing but it will come down to those that are vulnerable to isolate themselves as best they can.

Jayne Thorburn ● 2378d

It would certainly help Andrew, would give a clear picture of the situation.

Janice Evans ● 2378d

Adam, if and when the Government decide to ease the lockdown personally I would prefer that the social distancing continues withinshopping areas.

Janice Evans ● 2378d

There are many seriously ill patients who are unable to continue treatmentor to afraid to visit the hospital so hoping the new Covid cases are vastly reduced to give those the confidence to continue their treatment.

Janice Evans ● 2378d

My brother has just landed another 777 full of PPE kit from Shanghai, we really are doing everything possible to keep frontline workers safe and it will be the new normal. I reckon there will be covid only hospitals for the foreseeable future so that other hospitals can carry on other vital work. Crazy time.

Jayne Thorburn ● 2378d

If we were new to planet Earth and were presented with a blank canvas and a list of everything that needed to be accommodated (economy, food, home, disease including Covid-19, exercise, mental health, social etc.) to design a society that worked for all, who would have come up with this plan?

Michael Brown ● 2378d

UK Column update us with the latest info:

Michael Brown ● 2378d