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The New World Order is here

All as predicted. Pubs, restaurants etc. closed this week, and expect to be locked in your homes next week, and arrested if caught venturing out. All whilst our rulers continue to demolish our economic and social status.You were warned a long time ago so I hope you are physically and mentally prepared for your new lives.

Michael Brown ● 2419d76 Comments

I don't agree with you on the reasons behind the current situation or the motivation of the powers that be but...I do agree we may be looking at a somewhat changed world in the years to come.People are adapting quickly to the new normal and once the changed behaviors are in place will they ever revert to pre-plague practices?

Will Watson ● 2419d

That's what I also wonder about.

Janice Evans ● 2419d

I thought the 1% wanted us out at work, drudging away, to keep them in money. Not stuck at home watching catch-up TV and drinking all that stuff that has been panic purchased.

Vivienne Cox ● 2419d

When lockdown is brought in next week, I doubt the police will have the resources to properly enforce, so for those with cars, I’d suggest that you park as close to the kerb as you can because both the military trucks and tanks are wide.

Michael Brown ● 2419d

Michael - google conspiracy theorists and read up about yourself.  It's lonely people like you who go in for this nonsense

Viv Griffiths ● 2419d

FFS here he goes again ...

Chris Blackwell ● 2419d

I think someone's been watching too many zombie movies.

Keith Iddon ● 2419d

Think this is about a law when military can take over usually in temporary situations ?? Michael.

Janice Evans ● 2418d

Why am I thinking David Icke?

Andrew Jones ● 2418d

No nothing to do with Icke what I think he is talking about regarding the military.

Janice Evans ● 2418d

If this whole horrible business does anything once it's passed, then I hope it is an appreciation of those people classed as 'low skilled'  such as supermarket employees, refuse collectors, care workers etc. We can now see just how vital they are when the chips are down. There is a big push to stop the awful 'wet markets' in Asia whence this all is believed to have started, perhaps also some of our more threatened species will get the protection from being used as medicine and food that they must have. We live in hope.

Vanessa Smith ● 2418d

Michael Brown ● 2417d

The coronavirus scam has really picked up pace. Just 12 days ago, the ‘advice’ was “Prob best if you stay out of the pub”. Now we are on lockdown, not even allowed to visit a friend or sit on a park bench, with police roadblocks set up to stop and fine, all of which will have been planned from the beginning and discussed at the coronavirus rehearsal by the World Economic Forum in October 2019. Industries are already collapsing and the government is promising to pay 80% of wages. This ‘generosity’ is the introduction of State payments to replace wages under the new social and economic system being introduced. Did you see Boris on TV yesterday announcing his corona illness? He referred to a ‘persistent cough’ ??

Michael Brown ● 2413d

No doubt you can also explain how the NWO arranged for the sequence of violent storms that caused all the flooding a few weeks ago, no doubt to soften us up for Covid-19 ?

Richard Greenhough ● 2413d

There is evidence of weather control, Brigadier. A good example would be the barely reported hurricane Erin, which headed towards, then stopped and sat off the coast of Maryland, creating a magnetic field over New York during the directed energy attack on 9/11.

Michael Brown ● 2413d

No offence to other posters who have replied to Brown's latest rant, but can we not all agree just to ignore completely all threads which this moron starts?(And yes, I realise I'm replying to it here myself, but I think the point needs repeating until he is "locked-out"  completely)

Richard Cathcart ● 2412d

Why? His views are eccentric but they push a lot of people's buttons which is rather amusing.

Carl Wynne ● 2412d

He gets us wondering and thinking for ourselves which some find difficult to do. (Think for themselves) that is.

Janice Evans ● 2412d

The government sends letters out this coming week to every household in the country, warning that movement restrictions 'may' need to increase. This means they WILL increase, with the purpose of the letter being to start the acceptance process in readers' minds so they will succumb immediately when the order is given.

Michael Brown ● 2412d

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious diseases (HCID) in the UK; as illustrated in relevant government document:Gov DocThe government’s response was to impose a lockdown; and the government is now implying that the lockdown could last months and months, with restrictions on movement becoming greater. This is to allow sufficient time to destroy the economic system and the publics’ will to live during the transition to the New Order.

Michael Brown ● 2411d

Yeah we know this already Michael,  you think we are blind to the drip drip feed and u-turns on decisions such as the Herd Strategy ?

Matthew Swain ● 2411d

As far as New Order goes I really only liked that one track "Blue Monday" in particular the dog balancing on the chairs.

Chris Blackwell ● 2411d

Tell you what though, I find it highly offensive when idiots like Michael post their inane theories based on crap Dr Who scripts claiming that Covid 19 is a hoax. I personally have three friends who were admitted to hospital with CV19 and all tested positive. One nearly died. People need to grow up and realise that just because you ignore something and pretend it doesn't exist that will not make it go away.New Order my arse.

Chris Blackwell ● 2411d

"New Order my arse."
I have never forgiven them for World in Motion
True Faith wasn't too bad though.

N V Brooks ● 2411d

"I Hear a New World" was a concept album created at the beginning of the 1960s by Joe Meek (of "Telstar" fame).

Richard Greenhough ● 2411d

About right as Joe Meek was a paranoid schizophrenic.
Back to Telstar and The Tornados I didn't know until recently that their rhythm guitarist George Bellamy is the father of Matt Bellamy, the front man for Muse.

N V Brooks ● 2411d

"Back to Telstar and The Tornados I didn't know until recently that their rhythm guitarist George Bellamy is the father of Matt Bellamy, the front man for Muse."Spooky! I only found this fact out yesterday.Also, my mum was schoolchums with the younger brother of Clem Cattini, who drummed on "Telstar" and another 41 UK number 1s.Also x2, I recently bought the 3 CD edition of "I Hear a New World" which features the original unreleased album, a remastered version, and an absolute ton of other early electronic music from the likes of Delia Derbyshire, Daphne Oram, Stockhausen, Boulez, Messiaen, Cage &c.Surely these can't be coincidences and Mr Brown must be correct that The Lizard People have finally taken over, although they may have forgotten about Sutton Court Road as there has been a distinct lack of tanks (unless they were cunningly disguised as E3s and 272s of course).

Mike Firth ● 2411d

As mentioned earlier, the government is predicting a 'significant' period under lockdown and 'six months' has been thrown in, along with the threat of increased restrictions; but the government wouldn't know how the viral situation might pan out; so it's not a prediction, as such, but confirmation of the plans they have already put in place for this contrived situation; and in six months’ time, the economy will be totally destroyed; yet the government makes little or no mention of this - just concerns expressed for doctors, nurses, the NHS and the dying who are mostly elderly – basically, everyone and everything they've never cared about.  Why? They (or rather their powerful faceless bosses who pull their strings) WANT the economy destroyed; businesses – small, medium and large – Gone; and all due to an unfortunate virus that threatened the elderly who they did their best to save.  Now what are we going to do? Roll out the new draconian social and economic system under the New Order.

Michael Brown ● 2411d

My suspicion increased when we moved away from the sage wisdom of Vallance and Whitty and adopted the totally flawed Imperial College model, Prof Ferguson has well documented ‘previous’ . The Oxford researchers are probably correct in that millions in the UK have already contracted the virus which is a good thing but doesn’t fit the narrative of fear.The threat of 500,000 deaths was contrived in order to get the entire population under house arrest with lockdown. Now the Freemasons at Imperial College, funded by China, has downsized the mortality rate to 5700. People dying WITH coronavirus is not thd same as dying OF coronavirus.We have been stitched up like a kipper.

bobby osborne ● 2411d

Maybe a New World Order is what we need although not with China at the helm.The Old World Order hasn't worked out all that well.

Ben Gemmingen ● 2411d

Then, having saved the elderly, everyone else, most who'll be jobless, will also be saved - hoorah, hoorah, thank you, thank you so much; and we'll all be equal and look the same:

Michael Brown ● 2411d

Where did you get the 'dying WITH coronavirus' from? Who said it and when and if they did could it not just be a horrid (for example) Americanism? Countries and languages use different prepositions to say the same thing.

Anne England ● 2411d

Got measured for my corona convict suit the other day, except I opted for the onesie version as you can go commando and nobody knows. Rebel, that's me.

Chris Blackwell ● 2411d

Anne, I don’t know why you are so irritated by ‘die of’ vs ‘die with’.  It’s an important distinction quite normally used by British medical professionals.  An easy example: for men, prostate cancer is not usually fatal and therefore it can be said that it is more likely for a man to die with prostate cancer than of it.

Alastair Banton ● 2411d

It's not me who's irritated with the choice of preposition. It's Bobby Osborne to whom I was replying.

Anne England ● 2411d

I read an article questioning why Germany appears to have relatively low death rate compared to cases. The article reports that Germany is recording a death based on the patients underlying issue even if they had Coronavirus. So to a point Bobby has made a very good observation.

Jayne Thorburn ● 2411d

From wiki "Pneumonia often shortens suffering among those already close to death and has thus been called "the old man's friend"."Covid 19 is 2020's old man's friend.

Will Watson ● 2411d

Peter Hitchens point on recorded deaths since the outbreak. If your officialy tested positive for the virus its recorded as that on passing away.Mind you,i dont read what he normally says but it was a youtube video interview for talkradio. He may have a point for a change. Who knows

Julian Pavey ● 2411d

Sorry Anne, it was you who was irritated as shown by your phrase ‘horrid Americanism’.  And of course I am aware that you were replying to Bobby.  That doesn’t prohibit me from contributing.  Can’t you just take on board that die of and die with are different and move on?

Alastair Banton ● 2411d

Considering you can die eg by ordeal, or suffer death by excess, can you also die by semantics?Meanwhile, on this recording business, I heard on R4 this morning that France was only counting virus deaths occurring in hospitals.They weren't including people who died of/with/by/through the virus in care homes. They quoted a Rothshilds Care Home in Paris where 18 people had died (so far), with many more showing symptoms, and another home in the Vosges where over 20 people are thought to have died. Apparently the government is now including such deaths on the official record, but it's just another example of how difficult it is to compare statistics between countries.

Richard Cathcart ● 2410d

At this very second, there are more than twice as many people being born around the world than there are dying:Live World Death Totals

Michael Brown ● 2410d

At this moment in time, approx. 35m people have been born into this world this year, and approx. 15m have departed, of which approx. 35,500 are claimed to have died from coronavirus, whilst birth rates continue to rise at more than double the rate of deaths. World crisis? A fool might think so; and we’re not short of those on here.

Michael Brown ● 2410d

Michael, why do say "Claimed"?. Are you suggesting CV-19 is a hoax?

Chris Blackwell ● 2410d

I believe CV-19 exists and that people are dying from it, but I can’t be sure of the figures being correct, especially with the way this matter is being presented; plus it seems that people in the UK who have long been dying of cancer and other diseases are being reported as having died of CV-19 if the virus was present. I also understand (and I could be wrong about this so happy to stand corrected) that CORVID-19 is one of many coronaviruses, and that the test for coronavirus doesn’t distinguish between the various strains. We all get mild viruses from time to time, which may include some forms of coronavirus for all I know; but even if we take the figures as being correct, they’re not that great compared to those of many other diseases. However, I do accept that if you get so many people falling ill all at once, it can put a huge strain on the NHS, and I support ways of overcoming this problem, but I find the government’s response to be disproportionate and out of character i.e. destroying businesses to help doctors, nurses, the NHS and the elderly (mainly). It appears to me that the motive for their response lies elsewhere and, listening to their speakers, I get the impression that they want this ‘crisis’ to last as long as they can stretch it out for.

Michael Brown ● 2410d

Michael ,you're getting a bit slack in your research as the following is incorrect.'COVID-19 is one of many coronaviruses, and that the test for coronavirus doesn’t distinguish between the various strains'It most definitely does via PCR testing which is what is used in both throat and nasal swabs.Polymerase chain reaction (PCR) is a method widely used in molecular biology to rapidly make millions to billions of copies of a specific DNA sample allowing scientists to take a very small sample of DNA and amplify it to a large enough amount to study in detail. PCR was invented in 1983 by Kary Mullis. It is fundamental to much of genetic testing including analysis of ancient samples of DNA and identification of infectious agents. Using PCR, copies of very small amounts of DNA sequences are exponentially amplified in a series or cycles of temperature changes. PCR is now a common and often indispensable technique used in medical laboratory and clinical laboratory research for a broad variety of applications including biomedical research and criminal forensics.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymerase_chain_reaction

Ben Gemmingen ● 2410d

Ben, I haven’t done any research on the virus, slack or otherwise – I’ve just heard a few things; and I don’t know how good the bulk hospital tests are; but the detail of the virus isn’t my real point. It’s the whole thing that I’m not buying.

Michael Brown ● 2410d

I gather that but it is possible to distinguish Covid 19 fromother coronaviruses which is what a PCR test does.You did say you would be happy to be corrected so there you are.Bulk and individual pathology tests are done by the hundred of thousands every day. Mistakes and contamination can happen of course but I very much doubt on a mass scale.There's a home testing kit for Covid ,it costs 249 quid.

Ben Gemmingen ● 2410d

Lord Sumption, the former Lord Justice of the Supreme Court is asking the same questions about the government and our response.

Colin Potter ● 2410d

It does all seem to be a bit of an overreaction to 35,000 deaths around the world this year, largely of the old and sick, especially when we consider that 535,000 people have died of diarrhoea worldwide in the same period; no mention of them.

Michael Brown ● 2410d

Imperial College reports ‘We estimate that in the absence of interventions, COVID-19 would have resulted in 7.0 billion infections and 40 million deaths globally this year.’Perhaps we should listen the scientists.

Edward Seaton ● 2410d

I make that 0.57% of deaths per caseAnd 0.37% of "normal" deaths from other causes.What's to worry about?

James Roy ● 2410d

What I'm worried about is how people can latch onto one figure (here it is a small percentage) and think that is the entire picture. "Its a small number of actual deaths so why are we worried?" Perhaps it is too complex but try also to consider the pace of infection and hospitalizations and deaths. Do the maths on that. If the 'small percentage' was nicely spread over a year. But the epidemic pace of infection was creating an exponential growth in illness (and the same growth in the need to put people into intensive hospital care). From 18 to 22 March the daily infection level in the UK tripled. And if you look at 20 to 27 March it quadrupled. Without some form of reduction in social interactions this 3-4 times increase a week would have at least continued or got worse.Today I understand that 9,000 hospital beds are being used for COVID-19 patients. Without lock down and restrictions this would soon be worse - maybe 3-4 times as bad in a week. And a week later 3-4 times as bad as that. By the end of April that would be 750,000 beds needed. So soon it would be more need for beds than we have beds or doctors or nurses. You also need to consider the duration of the illness. Of the 21,000 or so recorded case in the UK there are only 1,500 outcomes (death or return to health). 1,500 was the total number of cases by mid March. So it takes two weeks to treat an ill patient.What then for both COVID-19 patients and all the other patients in hospitals? Kick other patients out? Let people die of respiratory failure at home? While the other household members are ill. Collect the dead bodies in a cart maybe...? (Hey its only a small percentage that actually die so a small cart will be fine.)That is what is to worry about. And that is why the goal is not to stop the virus or safe lives but to slow the pace of infection. Thus give some chance there will be sufficient care for those who need it.Or maybe you have another solution in mind.

Alan Clark ● 2410d

Agree Alan, we should help to stop the spread of the Virus, it kills far more men than women apparently, wonder why that would be.

Janice Evans ● 2410d

Alan, I take your point, but I suspect the doubling/trebling etc. may be more applicable during the early stages. For example, starting from 0, if 3 people contract it evenly across days 1, 2 and 3, it’s doubled and trebled very quickly.

Michael Brown ● 2410d

Alan is absolutely right and it is a very simple and accessible point that has been made on this forum many times. Delaying the spread of the virus avoids the collapse of the healthcare system in the short term and all the hideous consequences that would entail. Either Michael is right and the experts and governments are in cahoots to impose a new world order or he is wrong and the experts and governments have done the maths and decided that the economic impact of social distancing measures is an acceptable price to pay to avoid a much heavier price for the economy, society and law & order.

Paul Campbell ● 2410d

PC: "Either Michael is right and the experts and governments are in cahoots to impose a new world order or etc etc etc"Brown is someone who freely cites David Icke - a lunatic who believes the Royal Family are really shape-shifting extra-terrestrial lizards who came to Earth to feed off all the negative energy they cause us (or somesuch cobblers).Someone who thinks that just about every terrorist outrage we've seen in this country was actually staged by "them", as some sort of false flag operation.And someone who denies The Holocaust as having been similarly faked - though he lacks the integrity to admit it.Frankly, his various claims are so bonkers - often offensivly so - that the default position must be to disbelieve everything he says until or unless you know it to be true from your own knowledge or from other sources.And that doesn't leave much still on the table.

Richard Cathcart ● 2409d

MichaelDo you seriously believe only 35K people have died? Why don't you put your conspiracy mind to work and apply it to how many more people have really died in places likes China or Mynannmar the latter miraculously only has 2 cases despite a 1400 mile border. Not to mention people who may not have been able to access healthcare due to COVID taking up the work, those deaths will not be recorded.

Matthew Swain ● 2409d

Yes let’s just say that I subscribe to the “or” sub-clause.

Paul Campbell ● 2409d

MS: "Do you [Michael Brown] seriously believe only 35K people have died?"It's not what he believes, it's what he wants (needs?) to believe.Like all bonkers conspiracists, he starts off with his conclusion (New World Order etc), then works his way back through the "evidence", altering, disregarding or fabricating it to suit.And I still cannot work out whether he still really believes all this guff he spouts, or whether deep down he has even the tiniest doubt but dare not admit it, for fear that if even one of his theories is exposed as being nonsense, then all the rest will fall like a house of cards, thereby exposing him as an idiot of the highest order.

Richard Cathcart ● 2409d

Our good friend and neighbour died of CV-19 yesterday but since he died at home and was not tested I doubt his death will be included in the total CV-19 tally. An ambulance and an Incident Response Unit turned up, everyone in HazMat suits. There must be thousands more like this around the World, people dying and not being counted. 35,000 Worldwide is a ridiculous figure to believe.

Chris Blackwell ● 2409d

If you're telling me that the death total is greater than 35k, even much greater, I am prepared to believe it may be so.But when someone tells me that this is all because "the Illuminati" have deliberately arranged this crisis for their own nefarious ends (see thread title), as certain claimed by certain people (see OP), then that's when you have to call them out for the morons they are.

Richard Cathcart ● 2409d

"the default position must be to disbelieve everything he says"The default position must surely be to ignore him altogether?

Steve Taylor ● 2409d

Richard - absolutely!

Chris Blackwell ● 2409d

...and he's afraid, very afraid.

Michael Brown ● 2409d

Were I really afraid of the Police State on my doorstep, then I'd be joining idiots like you in "exposing" it.But it's not and I'm not.Meanwhile, ready to share with us your views on The Holocaust yet? Fact or Fiction?It only requires a simple one word answer, so you shouldn't need eg the 24 hours you gave me to answer your question on HCID re-classification. (I took 26 hours, btw - I'll slap my own wrist if that's ok).Mind you, you've gone equally silent on my reply to that one too.

Richard Cathcart ● 2409d

Richard, you never provided the evidence that I requested, as you well know.Meanwhile, according to the BBC, current estimates show that 1/5 of small and medium sized businesses won't get through the next 4 weeks.

Michael Brown ● 2409d

BBC Reports that 1/5 of small and medium sized businesses collapsing equates to 800,000 to 1 million businesses; and whatever the figure is, it will only increase. What impact will this have on peoples’ financial futures, lives and health? If the lockdown lasts for months, what affect will this have on peoples’ mental wellbeing? To date, this year, there have been 318,000  and 213,000 psychiatric and suicide deaths reported, respectively, worldwide versus 44,000 deaths reported from coronavirus.Flu fatality rates in the UK vary from season to season, and have been less than 2,000 in recent seasons, but in 2014/15, the figure was 28,330. Does anyone recall any hysteria? Were businesses shut down and everyone put under house arrest? A 13 year old boy was reported as dying from Covid-19 yesterday, which the mainstream media slammed in our faces all day, and it’s still headlines, today. Sad news, but how many teenagers died of other illnesses yesterday? How many teenagers died during the 2014/15 Flu season? There are still no deaths from Covid-19 reported worldwide of children below the age of 12; so should Covid-19 be considered a major threat to the young?When we look at the bigger picture, as opposed to what the mainstream media is ramming down our throats all day, the government's response is questionable; it’s even questionable when we look at the coronavirus figures in isolation; so what’s it all about? Fruitcake, David Icke, gives us an update with an alternative view on this event:

Michael Brown ● 2409d

BBC Reports that 1/5 of small and medium sized businesses collapsing equates to 800,000 to 1 million businesses; and whatever the figure is, it will only increase.How interesting, we quote figures from the mainstream media to support an argument then attack it/question it at the same time when it highlights that a 13yr old died.  Rather the assuming the BBC was 'slamming it in our faces' did you consider that the BBC was telling the story of death of a 13yrd old firstly because its utterly shocking and secondly to alert us to the fact that young people are in fact susceptible ad should not be blase?

Matthew Swain ● 2408d

Mortality rates from viruses vary from season to season, but deaths from Influenza can be as high as 650,000 worldwide in a season, as documented by the World Health Organisation; so there’s no hope for anyone who thinks they’re under house arrest due to this ‘corona season’s’ 46,000 reported fatalities (to date) worldwide, or that this is the reason to allow thousands/millions of businesses to collapse over the coming months. The lockdown will be strung out for as long as possible.

Michael Brown ● 2408d

HiPlease tell us all what you recommend. There is a highly infectious virus. So (lack of) brain of Britain what do we do?  You dislike and suspect the lock down efforts. What instead? Let’s hear your wisdom. Go for it. Stop simply bleating and try offering advice. I trust it will not be a video clip but instead be your own thoughts

Alan Clark ● 2408d

"(lack of) brain of Britain"?You're supposed to sign off at the end, Clarky boy.

Michael Brown ● 2408d

So no answers, no ideas, no clues. Thanks. Confirms that you are an empty, bleating vessel.

Alan Clark ● 2408d

MB: "Richard, you never provided the evidence that I requested, as you well know."I supplied a perfectly rational explanation [as to why COVID-19 was downgraded from the list of HCID's], you just choose to ignore it since it doesn't suit your attribution of everything that ever happens to your latest bonkers comspiracy theory.And speaking of conspiracies, even after months of being asked, you STILL refuse to disclose whether you accept the commonly agreed narrative that the Nazi's murdered c.6m Jews and others in The Holocaust.It's a simple Yes/No question, requiring no googling or YouTube, so why won't you answer?

Richard Cathcart ● 2407d

“I supplied a perfectly rational explanation [as to why COVID-19 was downgraded from the list of HCID's]”You provided an explanation that you say is rational, but it makes no difference whether it’s rational or not – you didn’t provide the evidence I requested to support your claim, and you’ll never be able to provide such evidence because there isn't any.

Michael Brown ● 2407d

It is bloody obvious - to any sane indivdual at least.Meanwhile, the Holocaust?Fact or Fiction?

Richard Cathcart ● 2407d

After visiting Sainsbury’s today it looks like the computers are in control, I am not sure there is any human in control of the computer. After weeks of crazy humans buying toilet roll and breaking the algorithm, the AI has finally caught up. It has told the shop to replace some of the food with toilet rolls. I’m guessing the limit of 2 items per person was just as much about trying to protect the algorithm as it was to control demand.

Colin Potter ● 2407d