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Brexit trash the UK? The EU will trash the UK. It is a failing bloc. Look at the economies of southern Europe, and soon even France, where unemployment especially for the young is close to 50%; a whole generation without jobs. Why do you think London is France's fifth biggest city? Greece is practically bankrupt and Italy is so fed up with the economic rules of the EU which hugely favour Germany, it is ignoring the EU and setting its own financial agenda.  Italy could be the next to leave which would destroy the EU. Hungary has built walls to secure itself against migrants being foisted upon it because of Merkel's ridiculous invitation to the third world.  Merkel who is no longer wanted by her own country and who will probably end up as Supreme President of the EU and who is calling for an EU army.  Why would we want to stay in it?  Those 'EU funds' are OUR MONEY, used to promote itself, the EU only has what it takes from the EU countries, it doesn't have money of its own. And there is no going back, or the status quo because they will severely punish us for even dreaming of leaving their 'Utopia' as a warning to others, and no doubt bring in rules making it impossible for us ever to leave.  Because Mrs May failed, perhaps intentionally, has come up with this travesty of a deal doesn't mean there is no deal to be had.  In any case leaving on WTO terms would be the best option, remember 'no deal is better than a bad deal' (not crashing out, not falling over a cliff which are Project Fear notions) and negotiating a trade deal from a position of strength outside the EU and beyond its sticky meddling tentacles.  Mrs May's qualities of steeliness and determination have turned into intransigence and pigheadedness because she is using them against us instead of against the EU. She has to go, the sooner the better.  She seems so delusional now persisting with black is white that perhaps the men in white coats should be on stand by.

V Killick ● 2900d

Many reasons, quite a few not to do with the EU.For starters, immigration featured large in the leave campaign. The claim that "this is a small island and we can't cope with the numbers now, let alone more coming" was a major theme. This resonated with people who saw doctors surgeries too busy (and lots of other similar examples). Somehow the notion that years of austerity cuts was as much the driver did not seem to surface. So basically it was a feeling of too many incomers.Second was linked to all the years of austerity with a northern layer of being forgotten by the political elite - this translated as a vote against southern based Labour and Tory politicians (as these appeared to be the voices for remain).And lastly was the carefully posed claim that exiting the EU would be (a) easy and (b) better. So lots of lies (sorry, I acknowledge you said don't say they were lied to, but ... they were lied to). There gross skipping over the tough, complex details that exiting the EU would entail. There were misleading claims about the strength of the UK negotiating position (such as "they need us more than..." false, empty claims). It is not possible to avoid the reality that people were shamelessly lied to.For me, the above is close to a fair summary of why people who largely had no particularly strong feeling about the UK's membership of the EU (aside from misinformed crap about straight bananas and such propaganda) suddenly swung into voting leave. (And by "people" I mean the 20% or so who were not strong EU fans nor hard-core anti_EU zealots.)

Alan Clark ● 2026d

What happened to the great Brexit trade chaos?MATTHEW LYNN“The ports would reek from the smell of rotting fish. Factories would close en masse as orders got snarled up in red tape. There would be chaos at the borders as deliveries were blocked, and services would hit a wall of ‘non-tariff barriers’ that would make it impossible for British firms to sell them across Europe. We have heard a lot over the last few weeks about how much disruption our departure from the European Union was causing for exporters, and there were lots of stories about firms that might go out of business or would have to move production to France or Poland.But hold on. The actual data is telling a different story. True, there was some disruption in January. But figures out this morning show that trade has already bounced back. The UK’s exports to the EU rose to £11.6bn in February, up from £7.9 billion in January. Overall, they were only slightly below last year’s £12 billion monthly average. That is a remarkably small difference, given that we were still effectively still inside the EU last year and this year we are not.We should keep in mind as well that Europe, like us, is still in the middle of lockdown, and in a deep recession, so that will have depressed demand for British exports. But if this month’s figures are anything to go on, the impact from leaving the EU may well have been less than £400 million a month.That demonstrates two things. The first is that membership of the single market, despite all the hype around it, doesn’t make much difference to most exporters. There is no question that it has an impact on a few, especially in sectors such as food and drink where the EU is very strict about what it allows into the bloc (mainly to protect its farmers from any form of foreign competition as it happens). For the vast majority, however, once a few pieces of slightly dull paperwork have been sorted out, it is neither here nor there.The second is that while there will be a hit to the UK economy from leaving the EU, we now know that it was completely trivial. The ‘lost exports’, which we have been told for the last decade would be catastrophic for the British economy, and would cost us a few million jobs, could come to around £4.8bn a year, not much more than a rounding error for an economy worth £2 trillion (it is about 0.25 per cent of total output). In truth, the Brexit ‘chaos’ is already over – and anyone looking back on the whole episode a decade from now may find it hard to work out what all the fuss was ever about.“

Russell Pearson ● 2023d

Indeed, even Nick Clegg no less“ The last four months have not been a happy time for those in power in Brussels. The unedifying squabbles over vaccine procurement and the sluggish delays to its subsequent roll out have prompted criticism across the continent, with the World Health Organisation calling it ‘unacceptably slow.’ Unsurprisingly, a Bloomberg poll out yesterday found that almost two-thirds of adults believe that being outside the EU helped the UK’s vaccination program to succeed.Now it appears Ursula von der Leyen and her colleagues have even lost their core support. No less a bonafide Eurocrat than Sir Nick Clegg – a former European Commission staffer prior to his Lib Dem leadership – popped up on LBC radio this morning to take a swipe at the conduct of those in the Berlaymont. Clegg, who was once estimated to have received up to £2.5 million in salaries, allowances and expenses during his time on the EU gravy train, told Nick Ferrari that the European Union had ‘let itself down and millions of Europeans down’ during the last four months.Clegg, a onetime MEP, said: ‘I think the EU has let itself down, more importantly has let millions of Europeans down by not providing people with vaccines on the scale and with the speed that has been possible in the UK and elsewhere, and that’s elicited, quite understandably, a lot of anger.  He continued: ‘Never mind what people say to opinion pollsters in the UK, across the EU people are waiting for their vaccines impatiently’ adding that ‘Clearly something has gone very badly wrong indeed in recent months in the EU.’Mr S suspects there’ll be many Brexiteers saying for the first time today ‘I agree with Nick.’”Steerpike

Russell Pearson ● 2023d